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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    What's wrong with "pure profit driven private ownership of transportation links"?
    There are some things the government can simply do better than private industry. Like eminent domain. And there are down sides to competition. What if a giant corporation that owns the freeways in Southern California also operates the port of Los Angeles. Might the access roads to the port of San Diego begin to crumble before anything else? Or maybe a few key ramps will be eliminated to "save money." I'm in favor of government ownership for these types of reasons.

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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Are you telling me that govt coercion means liberty?
    When government coercion is used to combat corporate coercion, leading to a net gain for liberty, then yes. It's pretty simple really. Did it go over your head?

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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    When government coercion is used to combat corporate coercion, leading to a net gain for liberty, then yes. It's pretty simple really. Did it go over your head?
    Coercion is the opposite of liberty, so American has a point. Coercion to combat coercion is still coercion. If your moral code is anti-coercion, then you have a problem.

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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by TitusAndronicus View Post
    There are some things the government can simply do better than private industry. Like eminent domain.
    There are ways around eminent domain, such as paying people what they want or going around a property that is demanding too much, or going above or below said property.

    And there are down sides to competition. What if a giant corporation that owns the freeways in Southern California also operates the port of Los Angeles. Might the access roads to the port of San Diego begin to crumble before anything else? Or maybe a few key ramps will be eliminated to "save money." I'm in favor of government ownership for these types of reasons.
    Probably not, because if that started happening then another road would be built to bypass that or the San Diego port would have rules stipulated in a contract with that road company demanding well-maintained roads.

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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Coercion is the opposite of liberty, so American has a point. Coercion to combat coercion is still coercion. If your moral code is anti-coercion, then you have a problem.
    How then do you reconcile the government coercion (conscription) used to obtain our liberty in the first place?
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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How then do you reconcile the government coercion (conscription) used to obtain our liberty in the first place?
    Are you talking about conscrption during the Rev War?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How then do you reconcile the government coercion (conscription) used to obtain our liberty in the first place?
    I guess that would make the state an immoral institution, eh?

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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Are you talking about conscrption during the Rev War?
    Yes....................
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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I guess that would make the state an immoral institution, eh?

    You tell me? You are the one in a moral quandry over government coercion.
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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes....................
    There was no conscription during the Rev War. Wanna try again?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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