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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The French high speed rail system brings in 1 billion+ Euros a year in profits.
    How much did it cost to build and how much does it cost to operate every year?
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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

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    Do you even know why the interstate system was built?
    The main purpose was for ease of military movement within the country. However, it is a wide and vast system which is utilized by the vast majority of common citizens now. It is a project scale on the order necessary for government involvement and has implemented a system which has vastly benefited the lot of us.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How much did it cost to build and how much does it cost to operate every year?
    Less than the Iraq War. Less than the aggregated bailouts given to the companies who caused the economic mess in the first place.
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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They can't. The land is owned by the government and the scale of the project is such that it is best handled through government.
    I'm sure there won't be any waste involved in that project.


    Particularly as a work program when the economy has collapsed.
    Annnnnnnd, the money is going to come from, where?
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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Less than the Iraq War. Less than the aggregated bailouts given to the companies who caused the economic mess in the first place.
    That's irrelevant.

    If it brings in a billion a year and it costs two billion a year to operate, then it's obviously a dud.
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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm sure there won't be any waste involved in that project.
    Projects of this nature will always have waste associated with it, even within the private industry. But for sure, you'd have to be on the look out for it.

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    Annnnnnnd, the money is going to come from, where?
    Government has a printing press. Also, did you ask this question for the Iraq War or the bailouts after the banks and markets collapsed the ecnomy through unregulated means of reckless behavior which could only lead to the collapse of the system? Or is it just now because at this time Obama happened to say something about it?
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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The main purpose was for ease of military movement within the country. However, it is a wide and vast system which is utilized by the vast majority of common citizens now. It is a project scale on the order necessary for government involvement and has implemented a system which has vastly benefited the lot of us.
    That's right!

    It just turned out to be a huge asset to interstate commerce. I don't see a nationwide passenger train system accomplishing either.
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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's irrelevant.

    If it brings in a billion a year and it costs two billion a year to operate, then it's obviously a dud.
    So something which costs less than any of those things, which would provide jobs while the economy can recover, which would net out a positive and new transportation option to get around the country would be a dud because.....you say so? But it's ok to spend 10's, 100's, even 1000's of more than that on other things because...well we don't need to worry about money then?

    Maybe if you were consistent with your criticism I could believe that your opinion is an intellectually honest and non-partisan one. But you seem to dismiss huge spending on some fronts and criticize smaller spending on other fronts so long as it appeals to your partisan ideology.
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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Projects of this nature will always have waste associated with it, even within the private industry. But for sure, you'd have to be on the look out for it.
    We can count on the government to be on top of that. Right?



    Government has a printing press.
    That's not making money. That's printing money. Big difference.

    Also, did you ask this question for the Iraq War or the bailouts after the banks and markets collapsed the ecnomy through unregulated means of reckless behavior which could only lead to the collapse of the system?
    During the Iraq war, were we in the middle of a depression? As far as the banks are concerned, I said let them fold.


    Or is it just now because at this time Obama happened to say something about it?
    Or, are you saying because Obama told you it's a great idea?
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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's right!

    It just turned out to be a huge asset to interstate commerce. I don't see a nationwide passenger train system accomplishing either.
    Maybe you're too short sighted. The rails initially popped up to ship people and things from one end to the other. Now we do it by air freight or truck/rail (across the US). But air freight can be expensive, where as by rail is relatively inexpensive. A high speed system gives you something which can compete on the order of airlines. This is particularly useful for personal transportation as it will give people more options rather than flying. Maybe you haven't taken a family of 4 on a plane...it's expensive. But rail, even high speed rail, tends to be drastically cheaper than airline fair. And if the time increase is only maybe a factor of 2 instead of 10, it becomes a much more viable option. It also opens up ease of business trips through rail, rail is safer and less likely to be driven into a building than planes, it can increase tourism to varying States by making it easier and more convenient to travel between the States.

    There is a wealth of potential in high speed rails. When the interstates were constructed, it probably was not foreseen to be as successful and accepted as it is now. High speed rail is in the same category.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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