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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    If it was as lucrative as some have claimed, why no private interest in the job?
    It's hard to know how "lucrative" it can be. Plus the scale in both physical dimension, monetary investment, and time make it not too appealing to private industry. Though they could do what the airlines do, run you're business poorly and when you're hemorrhaging money; get a government bailout.

    I mean people want to bitch about the money on this, but look at some of the stuff we spend our money on. Of all the things we're throwing money at, a high speed rail system is the least egregious.
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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's hard to know how "lucrative" it can be. Plus the scale in both physical dimension, monetary investment, and time make it not too appealing to private industry. Though they could do what the airlines do, run you're business poorly and when you're hemorrhaging money; get a government bailout.

    I mean people want to bitch about the money on this, but look at some of the stuff we spend our money on. Of all the things we're throwing money at, a high speed rail system is the least egregious.


    but it should be comprehensive, I mean florida to maine to start, you can't expect FL to go it alone. you need to have it make sense.
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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    A true, national high speed rail would be well worth the investment of money in addition to providing many jobs to see people through the economic turndown. I mean, that's if you care about the average American instead of sending the billions upon billions of dollars to bailouts of the banks and CEOs who made the mess.
    I pretty much support the rail system. I used to live in Germany, and high speed rails are nice. I really miss getting my work done on my way to work, or relaxing and taking a nap on the way... It seems a lot easier to get things done when you have a rail. You can pay bills and be on the way to work or a friends.

    A high speed rail system isn't big government IMO, and the rails in Germany are really nice and efficient. I am sure the government makes some money off them by charging fare too..

    Every time the price of fuel increases I groan and want that rail system...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    The high speed rail is definitely worth the investment, but ultimately Florida has to support it, and it doesn't. I don't think this is about money as much as it is about Florida giving Obama the finger. Also, think about how many cars will be taken off the road by a light rail. Can't threaten the automobiles and the fossil fuels now can we.
    I thought the rail would be good for the tourist to use to get to FL or travel around FL. Most people want to go to Orlando, but if they had a rail.. people might actually go to Miami and Tampa for a few days too.

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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    but it should be comprehensive, I mean florida to maine to start, you can't expect FL to go it alone. you need to have it make sense.
    I agree with you. When this economic depression hit us and we were giving away money to the companies and banks which caused the collapse like candy; I said that instead of doing so we should do two things. One would be to build a true national high speed rail. The second was to lay a high speed internet backbone across the country. Both of those have positive consequences that we can take advantage of in addition to providing many many jobs while the economy recovers. I think the plan is too small scale, it needs to link major cities together across states.
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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I agree with you. When this economic depression hit us and we were giving away money to the companies and banks which caused the collapse like candy; I said that instead of doing so we should do two things. One would be to build a true national high speed rail. The second was to lay a high speed internet backbone across the country. Both of those have positive consequences that we can take advantage of in addition to providing many many jobs while the economy recovers. I think the plan is too small scale, it needs to link major cities together across states.



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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I thought the rail would be good for the tourist to use to get to FL or travel around FL. Most people want to go to Orlando, but if they had a rail.. people might actually go to Miami and Tampa for a few days too.
    Most people go to Orlando because there is actually things to do there. Fun for the family and singles. Miami and Tampa dont appeal to tourist as much and taking a rail rather then your own vehicle would ultimately be a waste of money. You can pack as much as possible when taking your own transportation but in a rail, pay fees for extra baggage, people and food/beverage. Plus I dont know to many people who can deal much longer with the groping that would come along with the screening you would HAVE to have before taking the rail.
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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    During the Iraq war, were we in the middle of a depression? As far as the banks are concerned, I said let them fold.
    Just to remind you... he asked you about your concern government waste regarding the Iraq War and this how you response.

    "were we in the middle of a depression?"

    We aren't in the middle of depression right now... but your response really bothers me. Are Conservatives acting like they care about the debt right now, just because we are in an economic slump???

    Are you guys willing to give us GWB II after this recession is over?


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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Just to remind you... he asked you about your concern government waste regarding the Iraq War and this how you response.

    "were we in the middle of a depression?"

    We aren't in the middle of depression right now... but your response really bothers me. Are Conservatives acting like they care about the debt right now, just because we are in an economic slump???

    Are you guys willing to give us GWB II after this recession is over?

    The new conservatives don't care about the debt. They'll just use it as a political tool when it's convenient. Did we hear bitching when Bush wasted all that money and added tremendously to the debt? Nope. But we do when Obama does the same thing. It's crap partisanship and the reason why the Republic is going down the drain. People refuse to actually think anymore, and it's becoming harmful to the Republic. The GOP today is a big government, big spending, big brother, big war, big debt party. Don't let their lies and propaganda fool you.
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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Gapeach View Post
    Most people go to Orlando because there is actually things to do there. Fun for the family and singles. Miami and Tampa dont appeal to tourist as much and taking a rail rather then your own vehicle would ultimately be a waste of money. You can pack as much as possible when taking your own transportation but in a rail, pay fees for extra baggage, people and food/beverage. Plus I dont know to many people who can deal much longer with the groping that would come along with the screening you would HAVE to have before taking the rail.
    Extra Baggage: When I was on HSR in Italy, no one bothered to count how many bags I had. There's plenty of space.

    People: True. You do pay per person, which makes the auto more desirable with the more people you have (provided gas remains cheap), but HSR is meant to compete with/compliment airlines. You pay per person there too.

    Food/Beverages: You pay for food on the road as well. Or you can bring food on the train. I did.

    Screening: One might think you would have to screen passengers, but it just isn't done. A high speed train just isn't the same threat as a flying missile full of jet fuel. Is there a danger of a terrorist attack? Yes. But no more than on packed commuter rail or subway trips that occur daily. You'll never see those with TSA agents and body scanners. We seem to be pretty good/lucky with relying on intelligence to prevent these types of attacks. And that can prevent more than just attacks on transportation targets (Portland, Rockford, Times Square, Fort Dix).

    Miami/Tampa: I would contend that there are plenty of people interested in going to Tampa and South Beach. And not just tourists. 1.35M passengers a year fly between Orlando and Miami. Another 1.35M fly between Tampa and Miami. And they don't even need to be heading to the cities. If Orlando offers a flight that Tampa does not, a person could take the train from downtown Tampa to the Orlando airport and fly from there.

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