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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Exactly like socialized healthcare.
    Go ask anyone in England if they want HMO's. Go ask someone in Canada if they want to give up socialized medicine. Go ask the French if they want to cut the supply of health care to their poor off so that they can save a few bucks.

    I think you'll find that we are one of the few nations still selfish enough to consider universal health care a burdon on society. We truly have fallen from what made us a great nation:

    Innovation. We don't keep up with the times because too many people are scared of the future.

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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That's one of those societal benefits that can't be provided by the free market, yes.
    Not really. We can protect ourselves from the outside forces just fine, but we trusted the government to do it for oganizational/ effectiveness reasons.

    Then why hasn't it?
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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You were only half right. Funny how you only told half the truth. Wait, it's not that surprising, afterall.
    And you initially said I was completely wrong, so I guess you told no truth. Not too surprising.

    And funny thing, I was the one who posted the article. Imagine that.

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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, the highway administration isn't a part of the government?
    Irrelevant to my point. The interstate highway system is not profitable and the FHWA is increasingly funneled money intended for other services. This is no different than how money is shifted around when transit agencies see an operational shortfall. It is just more accepted.

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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Go ask anyone in England if they want HMO's. Go ask someone in Canada if they want to give up socialized medicine. Go ask the French if they want to cut the supply of health care to their poor off so that they can save a few bucks.
    Ask people in canada where I can get my wife breast exams. Could you do that for me?

    I think you'll find that we are one of the few nations still selfish enough to consider universal health care a burdon on society. We truly have fallen from what made us a great nation:
    Selfish? Try control of your body for starters.

    Innovation. We don't keep up with the times because too many people are scared of the future.
    Innovation? Nationalized healthcare countries don't innovate more than us. So umm..that seems like an odd statement.
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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    You mean like how socialized health care fails everywhere... except for every other industrialized nation in the world that has it.

    "If it is so good, why don't we have it?" Circular logic is powerful, for sure.
    really? Socialized medicine works EVERYWHERE that has it?
    Socialized Medicine in Europe - Associated Content from Yahoo! - associatedcontent.com
    Socialized medicine looks good on the surface. We all want people to have access to health care. In practice, however, it often doesn't work out the way that it is intended to, leaving millions with substandard care...

    Britain's health care system has failed many Britons, turning away pregnant patients in labor, refusing life-saving medicine because it was too expensive, and creating a dental shortage that has forced desperate patients to pull their own teeth. Britain is not the only country that does not find their health care system to be ideal. In fact, some countries are once again experimenting with the free market, as costs, doctor shortages, and wait times have gone out of control. Switzerland, the Netherlands, and Sweden are all trying to improve their systems...

    In Switzerland, everybody is required to purchase health insurance, and insurance for low income families is subsidized. Price controls are set, insurance providers must insure everybody for basic care regardless of the risk they take, and they are not allowed to make a profit on basic care. Unfortunately, this system has caused a shortage of available appointments with family doctors. Like in America, people use the emergency rooms when they should be going to their family doctor, only these people are forced to pay for health insurance. Hospital staff sometimes have to work 70 to 80 hours a week...

    When the European Union set regulations that required the Swedes to reduce taxation, they devised a plan: allow private companies to compete with the public sector. The experiment seems to have worked. A recent study compared the costs of public medicine, and the cost of private medicine. In ophthalmology, ear, nose and throat doctors, dermatology, general surgery, and internal medicine, the private doctors had lower costs. Wait times have also decreased. At one private hospital, the wait time for heart surgery was only two weeks, compared to a wait time of 15-25 weeks at a public hospital. The wait time for hip replacement surgery was only 10 weeks. At the average public hospital, the wait was over a year...

    The Netherlands does practice euthanasia, however, and some doctors even practice non-voluntary euthanasia. A 1991 study discovered that 8,750 patients did have life-sustaining treatment withheld without the patient's requesting it, with euthanasia at least part of the purpose. There were 1000 cases where patients that were euthanized without consent while they were competent to give consent to being euthanized, but the doctors did not consult them prior to taking action...
    yeah baby..... that's what we need here... socialized medicine like these other countries ALL have... right?

    it saddens me when people like you THINK they know what the **** they are talking about, and obviously don't. That took me 60 seconds to find.
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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Go ask anyone in England if they want HMO's. Go ask someone in Canada if they want to give up socialized medicine. Go ask the French if they want to cut the supply of health care to their poor off so that they can save a few bucks.

    I think you'll find that we are one of the few nations still selfish enough to consider universal health care a burdon on society. We truly have fallen from what made us a great nation:

    Innovation. We don't keep up with the times because too many people are scared of the future.
    They live in welfare states. If they're content with the government taking most of their hard earned money and wasting it, good for them. I'm not.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    And you initially said I was completely wrong, so I guess you told no truth. Not too surprising.

    And funny thing, I was the one who posted the article. Imagine that.
    Evacing people after a nuke strike was secondary to moving armoed units around the country.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by TitusAndronicus View Post
    Irrelevant to my point. The interstate highway system is not profitable and the FHWA is increasingly funneled money intended for other services. This is no different than how money is shifted around when transit agencies see an operational shortfall. It is just more accepted.
    You're still not, "subsidizing transportation".
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Ask people in canada where I can get my wife breast exams. Could you do that for me?

    Selfish? Try control of your body for starters.

    Innovation? Nationalized healthcare countries don't innovate more than us. So umm..that seems like an odd statement.

    Countries with universal health care have already innovated well past us because they allow for the treatment of all of their citizens. We cannot say that. If someone works 20 hours a week and goes to school full time but can't get insurance, and that person then comes down with cancer... oh well. That's your problem buddy! It's a great system we have.

    I am not sure what you are saying about mammograms in Canada... all research I can find shows us following Canada:

    New U.S. mammogram advice in line with Canada - CTV News
    Some Canadians may be confused by controversy over new U.S. breast cancer screening guidelines, but experts here say the revised recommendations finally conform with what Canada has been advising women for years.

    The U.S. Preventive Services Task Force, a panel of independent experts, released revamped recommendations this week, including advice that women in their 40s should not have routine mammograms because there is no evidence they improve survival in that age group.
    So I am not sure what you are worried about. Clearly your wife is recommended the same screenings here in the US as in Canada, but she is free to do whatever she wants in either one.

    An update on mammography use in Canada
    In 2008, 72% of women aged 50 to 69 reported having had a mammogram in the past two years, up from 40% in 1990.
    Most importantly this article disproves another unfounded conservative claim about socialized medicine:

    Despite widespread availability of screening programs, women in certain segments of the population are not receiving regular mammograms.
    The claim that people will overuse the system just because it is availible. Nope, it turns out that people are still just as lazy when it is free!

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