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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    From your source:

    would also allow the rapid movement of military equipment across the country.
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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by TitusAndronicus View Post
    Road operations are subsidized. The Federal Highway Administration (the group in your definition) is funneled cash payment in the interests of the public and the economy.



    HSR in its best form is targeted at airport relief. Currently the San Francisco-Los Angeles air route is the busiest in the country, and California airports are at capacity. We could spend money on a HSR network that allows for air carriers to drop the LA-SF route in favor of more profitable long haul routes, or we could expand the airports to equivalent capacity for more money.



    You haven't been given a penny, you've been given 49% of a road in the form of maintenance and operations. Without which, I-10 would turn to a lunar landscape and your trucks would be breaking axles. Sounds like a financial benefit to me. Would you still rather have that penny?
    So, the highway administration isn't a part of the government?
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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Federal grants = user fees.

    Sure, it gets filtered through a bureaucracy first.

    But it’s still the same source of funds, albeit from the whole country instead of a more specific area, in the case of "Federal grants".
    I'm not saying federal grants = user funds. User funds are tolls, gas taxes, vehicle registration, fares, and airfare taxes. Non-user fees are paid by all (sales and property taxes being diverted).

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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

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    Whatever. The point is I wasn't wrong and you apparantly learned something today that you didn't know.

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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Nope. The entire reason we have a government is to protect the people from outside threats. Try again..
    That's one of those societal benefits that can't be provided by the free market, yes.

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    And high speed rail specially in certain areas in florida could be done by the private sector.
    Then why hasn't it?
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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Whatever. The point is I wasn't wrong and you apparantly learned something today that you didn't know.
    You were only half right. Funny how you only told half the truth. Wait, it's not that surprising, afterall.
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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The French high speed rail system brings in 1 billion+ Euros a year in profits.
    So naturally, since it works for France, it'll do the same here. You DO realize their system connects to neighboring countries, right? And that THAT is what generates the majority of their profit?

    Oh... it's also nationally owned and subsidized.

    Nonsense.
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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    So naturally, since it works for France, it'll do the same here.

    Nonsense.
    You mean like how socialized health care fails everywhere... except for every other industrialized nation in the world that has it.

    "If it is so good, why don't we have it?" Circular logic is powerful, for sure.

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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That's one of those societal benefits that can't be provided by the free market, yes.



    Then why hasn't it?
    It's neither practical, nor profitable? Two dan fine reasons for the government not to spend money on it.
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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    You mean like how socialized health care fails everywhere... except for every other industrialized nation in the world that has it.

    "If it is so good, why don't we have it?" Circular logic is powerful, for sure.
    Exactly like socialized healthcare.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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