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CBS News' Lara Logan Assaulted During Egypt Protests

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More weak, bs, excuses.

Excuses for what? Learn to read posts instead of pretending you can because you're able to put in bold sections you think you understand? Thanks.
 
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I'm shaking with anger at reading the rest of this thread. Some are ignoring what this woman went through to push through a political agenda... "see, all muslims are violent and can't be trusted." Excuse me, but it was muslims, women and men, who rescued her. Some are basically blaming her for being there, because hell, everyone knows that a hot woman is going to get herself raped if she tries to do the same job her male counterparts do... "see, this is why women just aren't suited to go where men go." Some are saying, "hey, a lot of journalists got beat up, so she should have expected it" without noting that the area inside Liberation Square AFTER the two days of thugs-gone-wild was about the ONLY place safe for journalists, and the only place journalists... male or female... were reporting from.

This woman was targeted by a large group of criminals... not muslims, dammit, opportunistic criminals, a group that systematically pushed between her and her tv crew and her security personnel. They knew exactly what they were doing, they planned to kidnap her, and they did it. If not for the bravery of muslim women who eventually saw what was happening and rushed to her rescue, alerting the Egyptian soldiers who ran to assist, she might have been killed.

But hey, it's a great way to use a woman's horrific experience, a woman who is STILL hospitalized with severe injuries, to push a political, xenophobic, or misogynist agenda without anyone actually giving a fat flying fig about the courageous woman who, in the course of doing her job, was brutalized.

God, some of the posts on this thread have sickened me.
 
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But see DiAnna they were Muslims... so you can't say they weren't Muslims. But I'm not trying to push a political agenda just stating truth.

Anyways, that doesn't change the fact that they were opportunistic criminals. And Yes I do agree that they are. And they should be punished for their crimes. And stop saying "**** just happens" yeah **** does happens. And you pay for the **** you do. But is there anyway we could possibly round these people up? Maybe... but not likely. I would love to though.
 
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Excuses for what? Learn to read posts instead of pretending you can because you're able to put in bold sections you think you understand? Thanks.

To say that this is just what humans do is making excuses for this, like it's no big deal. Hey, I have an idea. Pretend this happened at GOP rally, then maybe you'll find the outrage you seem to be missing now.
 
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To say that this is just what humans do is making excuses for this, like it's no big deal.

That's not what I said. Which I explicitly stated you should learn to read. Something being 'human' does not mean it's no big deal. Which is why I clearly suggested this was a horrible act IN THE THIRD SENTENCE OF MY POST. Maybe instead of being a self righteous little interpreter of sentences you should spend more time actually reading entire posts in context?

Hey, I have an idea. Pretend this happened at GOP rally, then maybe you'll find the outrage you seem to be missing now.

Pretend you knew how to read and quit coming up with ideas. They're not your forte and you're just not that good at interpreting those of others.
 
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That's not what I said. Which I explicitly stated you should learn to read. Something being 'human' does not mean it's no big deal. Which is why I explicitly stated this was a horrible act IN THE SECOND SENTENCE OF MY POST. Maybe instead of being a self righteous little interpreter of sentences you should spend more time actually reading entire posts?

Pretend you knew how to read and quit coming up with ideas. They're not your forte and you're just not that good at interpreting those of others.

I did read your entire post. There was quick lip service about it being despicable on your way to saying, "eh, this is just, almost, human nature" and, indeed, minimizing this event since, after all, others have done it too.

Not only can I read, I can read between the lines.
 
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I did read your entire post.

I did read your entire post. There was quick lip service about it being despicable on your way to saying, "eh, this is just, almost, human nature" and, indeed, minimizing this event since, after all, others have done it too.

Obviously you didn't considering you're unable to understand that acknowledgment of a human trait does not mean justification of it. Example:

A) Humans by nature are violent creatures.

Does acknowledgment of the statement above mean you condone violence? No.

Your logic simply does not follow.

Not only can I read, I can read between the lines.

You must be some kind of mind reader. What does your crystal ball look like? Got it on e-bay?
 
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Obviously you didn't considering you're unable to understand that acknowledgment of a human trait does not mean justification of it. Example:

A) Humans by nature are violent creatures.

Does acknowledgment of the statement above mean you condone violence? No.

Your logic simply does not follow.



You must be some kind of mind reader. What does your crystal ball look like? Got it on e-bay?
Speaking of reading skills, I've not suggested that you or anyone else actually condone what happened here. I don't think you condone it, I just don't think you condemn it all that much either. How can you, when it's really just human nature?
 
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Don't you see, though, by making a comment like "look how pretty she is" you're suggesting that, "well men are just men and they can't be responsible for what they do because look at what a looker she is after all", - like this whole thing should just be overlooked and I just think that's bull**** myself.

I see sexual assault as being a worse thing to have to endure than a regular assault. I guess it's just the chauvinist side of me that tells me it's worse when a man assaults a woman than when he assaults another man.

What a silly statement.

So says a man who professes to chauvinism. :shrug:

A man being raped is just as devastating as a woman being raped, it's not "less worse" at all.

What's worst is being killed, but that's just my opinion.
 
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So says a man who professes to chauvinism. :shrug:

A man being raped is just as devastating as a woman being raped, it's not "less worse" at all.

What's worst is being killed, but that's just my opinion.
Well except that you did not compare rape to rape, you compared assault to rape. Besides, a man is far less likely to be actually raped.
 
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Speaking of reading skills, I've not suggested that you or anyone else actually condone what happened here. I don't think you condone it, I just don't think you condemn it all that much either. How can you, when it's really just human nature?

Gang-rape is "just human nature"? Would you care to support that with some kind of legitimate rationale??
 
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Gang-rape is "just human nature"? Would you care to support that with some kind of legitimate rationale??
No, no DiAnna, that's not my argument at all. That was my sarcastic paraphrase of how I see Hatuey's argument. I'm not the one looking to explain away why these maggots did this.
 
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Well except that you did not compare rape to rape, you compared assault to rape. Besides, a man is far less likely to be actually raped.

I asked: If that was a man being assaulted, you would not be outraged?

Clearly, I was comparing the gender, leaving the situation the same. You claim to have no problem with reading.

I also noted that an Egyptian journalist was killed. If you haven't inferred yet, he was male.

Just because male sexual abuse rarely happens (or perhaps just rarely reported) doesn't make it any less devastating. It's harder for man to deal with it because they don't have as wide a support group. Feminists fought for equal rights, that means man and woman should be treated equally. Assaults against anyone should engender equal outrage, not just against women.
 
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Oh, well I disagree. Saying she asked for it puts a tint on it that she deserved it in some way. That couldn't be further from the truth. It's more about putting herself in a bad situation. If a reporter was groped during the LA riots would you have been surprised? When anarchy is the law, bad stuff happens to good people.

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You cannot put yourself into a bad situation and then act surprised about it. It doesn't make it right, it just is what it is.

She was there for her job. I agree she wasn't asking for anything. I do however think she may have used poor judgement - she may have thought that since the demands of the people were met and people were happy that she was safe. And that is never the case with large crowds of people like that. I think her security let her down and I think she underestimated the level of danger in large crowds especially in a foreign country. The thing is, I was assume she knew about other reporters being attacked... and given the list of threatened and attacks on journalists in Cairo was MUCH longer than I thought, there was a break down of common sense here.
 
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Yes. What's your point?

CBS should have known better than to send a blond out there. Companies have known for years that send someone with a more ethnic appearance to the ME is beneficial for business, and probably for safety as well. I don't blame CBS, but not paying attention to local custom as well may have contributed in some way to her "standing out".
 
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CBS should have known better than to send a blond out there. Companies have known for years that send someone with a more ethnic appearance to the ME is beneficial for business, and probably for safety as well. I don't blame CBS, but not paying attention to local custom as well may have contributed in some way to her "standing out".

I don't think it was CBS management --- sending a blond there, as opposed to a brunette? This has less to do with customs and culture (it's not the custom of Egyptians to rape women on sight), I blame Laura Logan for bad judgement, I blame her security detail for not doing their job and keeping her close and safe and overriding her judgement, and I blame the bastards who raped her - they should be found and punished. Journalists have to do their job - blonde, brunette, attractive or not-so... She had a lot of courage to even be there and go into that crowd.
 
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Really? Show me where I made an excuse for her getting raped? Show me where I said it was ok? Before you go having an orgasm with yourself about liberals changing or some other Glenn Beck-like non sequitor nonsense, please, do yourself a favor and read.

All I said, again, was the I think the previous poster put up her picture to say, "Look how pretty she is and look where she was". There is no statement about morality there, approval, or even disapproval. They are just observations.

To be honest, I am surprised no journalists were murdered. When I heard about the sexual assault, I was not surprised. I am sorry if you were and if that offends you, but I was not surprised. Men can be... I am not sure I can think of the proper word to describe it. Lets just say men can go pretty low when given the opportunity.

I have read what you have said. At no point have you shown any inclination towards a liberal view. Instead, you have attempted to normalize rape -- gang rape, even -- as the expected outcome of this women reporter doing her job.

As to your silly Glen Beck retort, I'm reminded much of Pete who simply describes things he doesn't understand as "right wing", and so supports its opposite. I am not a fan of Glen Beck, I voted for Obama, and have been a registered Democrat since 1972. Just because you haven't the foggiest clue what liberalism means, that doesn't mean I don't. The normalization of rape is not a liberal view, no matter how you might have convinced yourself it is.
 
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I have read what you have said. At no point have you shown any inclination towards a liberal view. Instead, you have attempted to normalize rape -- gang rape, even -- as the expected outcome of this women reporter doing her job.

As to your silly Glen Beck retort, I'm reminded much of Pete who simply describes things he doesn't understand as "right wing", and so supports its opposite. I am not a fan of Glen Beck, I voted for Obama, and have been a registered Democrat since 1972. Just because you haven't the foggiest clue what liberalism means, that doesn't mean I don't. The normalization of rape is not a liberal view, no matter how you might have convinced yourself it is.

See, this is nothing more than partisanship to you. It isn't about the rape, but how you want to push a certain political viewpoint and want help doing it. This woman looked western, she LOOKED European and was a easy target. These people hate the West. The Muslim Brotherhood is in there pushing Sharia Law, and trying to ride in on the back of this revolution. When they raped this women, they were raping the West; that's my take. And I think it's accurate. All that matters to you is that someone pushes liberalism. :doh:
 
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I don't think it was CBS management --- sending a blond there, as opposed to a brunette? This has less to do with customs and culture (it's not the custom of Egyptians to rape women on sight), I blame Laura Logan for bad judgement, I blame her security detail for not doing their job and keeping her close and safe and overriding her judgement, and I blame the bastards who raped her - they should be found and punished. Journalists have to do their job - blonde, brunette, attractive or not-so... She had a lot of courage to even be there and go into that crowd.

Yes she had courage, and no one is condoning rape. But I think some judgement beforehand might have helped to reduce the risk.
 
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Holy ****!

I didn't hear about all of those incidents... Well Zyphlin... I may have to edit my prior statement. It still may not be a majority but if this list is accurate, it's a bit more than a few individuals or groups getting caught up in the moment.

Would you agree?

No, I wouldn't. Why do you ask? Because I actually read through the 66 (far cry from the 100+ Mr V originally claimed) accounts that were posted. Want to know what I found...

32 of those 66 were specifically mentioned or suggested as being Government or Pro-Mubark individuals attacking, stopping, detaining, or doing other sort of actions. That's almost half of the complaints in and of themselves.

3 of the cases were relatively mild things that are expected as you push through masses of upset people (being shoved, harassed, or having trouble moving to where you want to go)

4 seemed to be focused singularly on property damage

Finally, there were 27 violent incidents, meaning the person was actually attacked or had siginficant threats made against them. Of those 27 violent incidents not a single one of them specifically singled out that the violence was done by Pro-Democracy protestors. Some mention both sides in an argument with no indication of which side did the damage, and if it was intentional or someone just getting in the middle of it. One case had a note that protesters also helped save the reporter.

Suddenly the number looks a lot less problematic when you actually read through them all. Especially if you consider that its reasonable to suggest, with the 32 other incidents, that all 27 weren't perpetrated by Pro-Democracy protesters.

No to mention that all told its still likely a relatively small number with regards to the total amount of journalists covering this.

No, I don't change my position. Its a strong minority of protestors that are actually purposefully reacting violently towards journalists.
 
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I don't think it was CBS management --- sending a blond there, as opposed to a brunette? This has less to do with customs and culture (it's not the custom of Egyptians to rape women on sight), I blame Laura Logan for bad judgement, I blame her security detail for not doing their job and keeping her close and safe and overriding her judgement, and I blame the bastards who raped her- they should be found and punished. Journalists have to do their job - blonde, brunette, attractive or not-so... She had a lot of courage to even be there and go into that crowd.
I only blame the bastards who did this to her. By putting any blame on her, is to suggest she brought this on herself and I just cannot agree with that.
 
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No, I wouldn't. Why do you ask? Because I actually read through the 66 (far cry from the 100+ Mr V originally claimed) accounts that were posted. Want to know what I found...

32 of those 66 were specifically mentioned or suggested as being Government or Pro-Mubark individuals attacking, stopping, detaining, or doing other sort of actions. That's almost half of the complaints in and of themselves.

3 of the cases were relatively mild things that are expected as you push through masses of upset people (being shoved, harassed, or having trouble moving to where you want to go)

4 seemed to be focused singularly on property damage

Finally, there were 27 violent incidents, meaning the person was actually attacked or had siginficant threats made against them. Of those 27 violent incidents not a single one of them specifically singled out that the violence was done by Pro-Democracy protestors. Some mention both sides in an argument with no indication of which side did the damage, and if it was intentional or someone just getting in the middle of it. One case had a note that protesters also helped save the reporter.

Suddenly the number looks a lot less problematic when you actually read through them all. Especially if you consider that its reasonable to suggest, with the 32 other incidents, that all 27 weren't perpetrated by Pro-Democracy protesters.

No to mention that all told its still likely a relatively small number with regards to the total amount of journalists covering this.

No, I don't change my position. Its a strong minority of protestors that are actually purposefully reacting violently towards journalists.

Well the actual number is 8x higher than number I originally thought. What was simply a rouge group or individual may now be multiple rouge groups and multiple individuals. Then we have to take into account what we don't know... and how accurate that report is as well as the numbers. The real question is, "Is such actions of assault, sexual assault, and violence expected in ANY crowd in ANY country in ANY culture and at ANY time?" Perhaps pent up frustrations and being oppressed did have an effect on a majority of the crowd to be prone to violence... violence of any sort against any or all who were obvious outsiders... I don't know that for a fact but it's possible. Not sure if you remember or were aware of the riots in Los Angeles in 1992. I was visiting out there during those riots with a buddy of mine who was going to BIT, and he workd at a record store in Inglewood. That place was a war zone - and granted it was a riot so people stayed off the streets in SoCentral, but **** still happened all the way up in Glendale. I know it's two different scenario's - but I sort of see a gathering of angry people the same. Anything can happen and in SoCentral, if you were white and in Inglewood, you best get the hell out of there quick unless you were in the National Guard.

It may be that any large gathering of people it's expected that some violence will occur depending on the reason for that gathering. Marches on Washington D.C. have occurred in the U.S. for decades with sometimes close to a million people for various reasons and political views without mass violence occurring. SO is that a cultural difference, sociological difference, religious difference? I guess I'm just not knowledgeable about the morphology of human gatherings and why some are more violent than others and what sparks that violence.

Back to Egypt, it still wasn't a majority or even 1/4 of the protesters, but it was more than a few apparently, and we don't know how much else went on that wasn't reported.
 
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I only blame the bastards who did this to her. By putting any blame on her, is to suggest she brought this on herself and I just cannot agree with that.

I have to partially blame her judgement... for whatever reason. She didn't ask for it... but this is akin to a war correspondent putting himself too close to the front lines and getting shot. Is it not his fault for getting too close or is it the enemy's fault for shooting a non-combatant who's next to someone shooting at them?
 
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So I hear they were shouting "jew" as they raped her.


These savages should be shot and killed. Think they will face any justice? :roll:
 
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I only blame the bastards who did this to her. By putting any blame on her, is to suggest she brought this on herself and I just cannot agree with that.

You are being PC, where it is unwarranted. You think by even suggesting some blame on her or her handlers, rape is condoned. That's bull****. You don't think a risk assessment was done prior to doing over there? If it wasn't CBS ought to be shut down. I'll be they coordinated this trip with the State dept. Nevertheless, I think a mistake was made. If that sounds sexist, I'm sorry. But it's not more sexist than not putting women in the infantry. She was placed in an extremely risky environment for any reporter, and I think the fact that she looked Nordic (and was a women) might have made it worse. There were tons of people that hate the West out there, the West supported Mubarak for years.
 
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