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    Re: CBS Reporter Sexually Assaulted in Tahrir Square

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    CBS should have known better than to send a blond out there. Companies have known for years that send someone with a more ethnic appearance to the ME is beneficial for business, and probably for safety as well. I don't blame CBS, but not paying attention to local custom as well may have contributed in some way to her "standing out".
    I don't think it was CBS management --- sending a blond there, as opposed to a brunette? This has less to do with customs and culture (it's not the custom of Egyptians to rape women on sight), I blame Laura Logan for bad judgement, I blame her security detail for not doing their job and keeping her close and safe and overriding her judgement, and I blame the bastards who raped her - they should be found and punished. Journalists have to do their job - blonde, brunette, attractive or not-so... She had a lot of courage to even be there and go into that crowd.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: CBS Reporter Sexually Assaulted in Tahrir Square

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    Really? Show me where I made an excuse for her getting raped? Show me where I said it was ok? Before you go having an orgasm with yourself about liberals changing or some other Glenn Beck-like non sequitor nonsense, please, do yourself a favor and read.

    All I said, again, was the I think the previous poster put up her picture to say, "Look how pretty she is and look where she was". There is no statement about morality there, approval, or even disapproval. They are just observations.

    To be honest, I am surprised no journalists were murdered. When I heard about the sexual assault, I was not surprised. I am sorry if you were and if that offends you, but I was not surprised. Men can be... I am not sure I can think of the proper word to describe it. Lets just say men can go pretty low when given the opportunity.
    I have read what you have said. At no point have you shown any inclination towards a liberal view. Instead, you have attempted to normalize rape -- gang rape, even -- as the expected outcome of this women reporter doing her job.

    As to your silly Glen Beck retort, I'm reminded much of Pete who simply describes things he doesn't understand as "right wing", and so supports its opposite. I am not a fan of Glen Beck, I voted for Obama, and have been a registered Democrat since 1972. Just because you haven't the foggiest clue what liberalism means, that doesn't mean I don't. The normalization of rape is not a liberal view, no matter how you might have convinced yourself it is.
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    Re: CBS Reporter Sexually Assaulted in Tahrir Square

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    I have read what you have said. At no point have you shown any inclination towards a liberal view. Instead, you have attempted to normalize rape -- gang rape, even -- as the expected outcome of this women reporter doing her job.

    As to your silly Glen Beck retort, I'm reminded much of Pete who simply describes things he doesn't understand as "right wing", and so supports its opposite. I am not a fan of Glen Beck, I voted for Obama, and have been a registered Democrat since 1972. Just because you haven't the foggiest clue what liberalism means, that doesn't mean I don't. The normalization of rape is not a liberal view, no matter how you might have convinced yourself it is.
    See, this is nothing more than partisanship to you. It isn't about the rape, but how you want to push a certain political viewpoint and want help doing it. This woman looked western, she LOOKED European and was a easy target. These people hate the West. The Muslim Brotherhood is in there pushing Sharia Law, and trying to ride in on the back of this revolution. When they raped this women, they were raping the West; that's my take. And I think it's accurate. All that matters to you is that someone pushes liberalism. :
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    Re: CBS Reporter Sexually Assaulted in Tahrir Square

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I don't think it was CBS management --- sending a blond there, as opposed to a brunette? This has less to do with customs and culture (it's not the custom of Egyptians to rape women on sight), I blame Laura Logan for bad judgement, I blame her security detail for not doing their job and keeping her close and safe and overriding her judgement, and I blame the bastards who raped her - they should be found and punished. Journalists have to do their job - blonde, brunette, attractive or not-so... She had a lot of courage to even be there and go into that crowd.
    Yes she had courage, and no one is condoning rape. But I think some judgement beforehand might have helped to reduce the risk.
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    Re: CBS Reporter Sexually Assaulted in Tahrir Square

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Holy ****!

    I didn't hear about all of those incidents... Well Zyphlin... I may have to edit my prior statement. It still may not be a majority but if this list is accurate, it's a bit more than a few individuals or groups getting caught up in the moment.

    Would you agree?
    No, I wouldn't. Why do you ask? Because I actually read through the 66 (far cry from the 100+ Mr V originally claimed) accounts that were posted. Want to know what I found...

    32 of those 66 were specifically mentioned or suggested as being Government or Pro-Mubark individuals attacking, stopping, detaining, or doing other sort of actions. That's almost half of the complaints in and of themselves.

    3 of the cases were relatively mild things that are expected as you push through masses of upset people (being shoved, harassed, or having trouble moving to where you want to go)

    4 seemed to be focused singularly on property damage

    Finally, there were 27 violent incidents, meaning the person was actually attacked or had siginficant threats made against them. Of those 27 violent incidents not a single one of them specifically singled out that the violence was done by Pro-Democracy protestors. Some mention both sides in an argument with no indication of which side did the damage, and if it was intentional or someone just getting in the middle of it. One case had a note that protesters also helped save the reporter.

    Suddenly the number looks a lot less problematic when you actually read through them all. Especially if you consider that its reasonable to suggest, with the 32 other incidents, that all 27 weren't perpetrated by Pro-Democracy protesters.

    No to mention that all told its still likely a relatively small number with regards to the total amount of journalists covering this.

    No, I don't change my position. Its a strong minority of protestors that are actually purposefully reacting violently towards journalists.

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    Re: CBS Reporter Sexually Assaulted in Tahrir Square

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I don't think it was CBS management --- sending a blond there, as opposed to a brunette? This has less to do with customs and culture (it's not the custom of Egyptians to rape women on sight), I blame Laura Logan for bad judgement, I blame her security detail for not doing their job and keeping her close and safe and overriding her judgement, and I blame the bastards who raped her- they should be found and punished. Journalists have to do their job - blonde, brunette, attractive or not-so... She had a lot of courage to even be there and go into that crowd.
    I only blame the bastards who did this to her. By putting any blame on her, is to suggest she brought this on herself and I just cannot agree with that.
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    Re: CBS Reporter Sexually Assaulted in Tahrir Square

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, I wouldn't. Why do you ask? Because I actually read through the 66 (far cry from the 100+ Mr V originally claimed) accounts that were posted. Want to know what I found...

    32 of those 66 were specifically mentioned or suggested as being Government or Pro-Mubark individuals attacking, stopping, detaining, or doing other sort of actions. That's almost half of the complaints in and of themselves.

    3 of the cases were relatively mild things that are expected as you push through masses of upset people (being shoved, harassed, or having trouble moving to where you want to go)

    4 seemed to be focused singularly on property damage

    Finally, there were 27 violent incidents, meaning the person was actually attacked or had siginficant threats made against them. Of those 27 violent incidents not a single one of them specifically singled out that the violence was done by Pro-Democracy protestors. Some mention both sides in an argument with no indication of which side did the damage, and if it was intentional or someone just getting in the middle of it. One case had a note that protesters also helped save the reporter.

    Suddenly the number looks a lot less problematic when you actually read through them all. Especially if you consider that its reasonable to suggest, with the 32 other incidents, that all 27 weren't perpetrated by Pro-Democracy protesters.

    No to mention that all told its still likely a relatively small number with regards to the total amount of journalists covering this.

    No, I don't change my position. Its a strong minority of protestors that are actually purposefully reacting violently towards journalists.
    Well the actual number is 8x higher than number I originally thought. What was simply a rouge group or individual may now be multiple rouge groups and multiple individuals. Then we have to take into account what we don't know... and how accurate that report is as well as the numbers. The real question is, "Is such actions of assault, sexual assault, and violence expected in ANY crowd in ANY country in ANY culture and at ANY time?" Perhaps pent up frustrations and being oppressed did have an effect on a majority of the crowd to be prone to violence... violence of any sort against any or all who were obvious outsiders... I don't know that for a fact but it's possible. Not sure if you remember or were aware of the riots in Los Angeles in 1992. I was visiting out there during those riots with a buddy of mine who was going to BIT, and he workd at a record store in Inglewood. That place was a war zone - and granted it was a riot so people stayed off the streets in SoCentral, but **** still happened all the way up in Glendale. I know it's two different scenario's - but I sort of see a gathering of angry people the same. Anything can happen and in SoCentral, if you were white and in Inglewood, you best get the hell out of there quick unless you were in the National Guard.

    It may be that any large gathering of people it's expected that some violence will occur depending on the reason for that gathering. Marches on Washington D.C. have occurred in the U.S. for decades with sometimes close to a million people for various reasons and political views without mass violence occurring. SO is that a cultural difference, sociological difference, religious difference? I guess I'm just not knowledgeable about the morphology of human gatherings and why some are more violent than others and what sparks that violence.

    Back to Egypt, it still wasn't a majority or even 1/4 of the protesters, but it was more than a few apparently, and we don't know how much else went on that wasn't reported.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: CBS Reporter Sexually Assaulted in Tahrir Square

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I only blame the bastards who did this to her. By putting any blame on her, is to suggest she brought this on herself and I just cannot agree with that.
    I have to partially blame her judgement... for whatever reason. She didn't ask for it... but this is akin to a war correspondent putting himself too close to the front lines and getting shot. Is it not his fault for getting too close or is it the enemy's fault for shooting a non-combatant who's next to someone shooting at them?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: CBS Reporter Sexually Assaulted in Tahrir Square

    So I hear they were shouting "jew" as they raped her.


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    Re: CBS Reporter Sexually Assaulted in Tahrir Square

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I only blame the bastards who did this to her. By putting any blame on her, is to suggest she brought this on herself and I just cannot agree with that.
    You are being PC, where it is unwarranted. You think by even suggesting some blame on her or her handlers, rape is condoned. That's bull****. You don't think a risk assessment was done prior to doing over there? If it wasn't CBS ought to be shut down. I'll be they coordinated this trip with the State dept. Nevertheless, I think a mistake was made. If that sounds sexist, I'm sorry. But it's not more sexist than not putting women in the infantry. She was placed in an extremely risky environment for any reporter, and I think the fact that she looked Nordic (and was a women) might have made it worse. There were tons of people that hate the West out there, the West supported Mubarak for years.
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