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    South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murder of Abortion Doctors
    February 15, 2011 5:54 PM



    A bill scheduled for debate on the floor of the South Dakota House of Representatives Tuesday has been labeled by a group representing abortion clinics as "an invitation to murder abortion providers."

    House Bill 1171 would expand the legal definition of justifiable homicide in the state. Critics said the measure legalizes the killing of abortion providers by saying a homicide is permissible if committed by a person "while resisting an attempt to harm" an unborn fetus.

    "The bill introduced in South Dakota is an invitation to murder abortion providers," Vicki Saporta, president of the National Abortion Federation, the professional association of abortion providers, told CBS Radio News. "It would actually legalize murder."
    House Bill 1171

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    "Let's say an ex-boyfriend finds out his ex-girlfriend is pregnant with his baby and decides to beat on her abdomen to kill the unborn child," Jensen told Reuters. "This is an illegal act and the purpose of this bill is to bring continuity to South Dakota code as it relates to the unborn child."
    This strikes home as my sister was stalked and assaulted by the bio-father for refusing to abort. In her 3rd month of pregnancy, the man beat the **** out of her. he would have finished the job if it weren't for a neighbor who heard the fight and intervened. While my sister with her unborn daughter Adrian lived through it, it wasn't from a lack of this man trying. The assault gave Adrian a permanent behavioral disorder, night terrors, and other problems; and compounded my sister's PTSD.

    Pregnant women, having the right to bodily sovereignty, should be free to use lethal to defend themselves and their children no differently than she can use lethal force to stop a rape.
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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Seeing as how the mother is carrying said fetus, any deadly threat against the fetus is also a deadly threat against the mother, entitling herself to use deadly force under standard self defense laws. I don't see what circumstances this law would be any different that what we have today. Killing an abortion doctor would not be covered for the same reason that you can't kill a regular doctor even if he cutting you open with a knife. Overall, this bill appears to do nothing at all.

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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    House Bill 1171

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    This strikes home as my sister was stalked and assaulted by the bio-father for refusing to abort. In her 3rd month of pregnancy, the man beat the **** out of her. he would have finished the job if it weren't for a neighbor who heard the fight and intervened. While my sister with her unborn daughter Adrian lived through it, it wasn't from a lack of this man trying. The assault gave Adrian a permanent behavioral disorder, night terrors, and other problems; and compounded my sister's PTSD.

    Pregnant women, having the right to bodily sovereignty, should be free to use lethal to defend themselves and their children no differently than she can use lethal force to stop a rape.
    You are absolutely right about that.

    However, the language of this law should not give the biological father the right to kill your sister or an abortion provider if your sister decided to exercise her right to bodily sovereignty and abort her daughter and the biological father tried to stop her.

    Those who are pro-choice have absolutely no problem with helping women who chose to carry their children to term, and have no problem with women defending themselves to protect their children if they choose to carry those children to term.

    What pro-choicers have a problem with is a lack of nuance in this law that will protect abortion providers for women who, of their own choice, choose not to carry a fetus to term.

    People who perform such terrorist actions such as bombing medical facilities should not be protected by this type of language in the law.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    House Bill 1171

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    This strikes home as my sister was stalked and assaulted by the bio-father for refusing to abort. In her 3rd month of pregnancy, the man beat the **** out of her. he would have finished the job if it weren't for a neighbor who heard the fight and intervened. While my sister with her unborn daughter Adrian lived through it, it wasn't from a lack of this man trying. The assault gave Adrian a permanent behavioral disorder, night terrors, and other problems; and compounded my sister's PTSD.

    Pregnant women, having the right to bodily sovereignty, should be free to use lethal to defend themselves and their children no differently than she can use lethal force to stop a rape.
    Did you in turn beat the dog **** out of her baby daddy?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    I have felt for a long time as a society we have failed to face reality when it comes to Abortion.

    There is no reason for it to be used as a birth control measure un less both mother and father are really exceedingly dumb-asses.

    We lie to young people about sex the way we lie about some recreational drugs and all that happens in the end is what we are doing actually encourages you people into sex and drug use.

    When someone finds out that smoking a joint will not send you into an uncontrollable murderous rage or anything more than sleepy munchies.

    They see they were lied to then they figure the same is true of CRACK, or METH and them they are screwed.

    The same is true of sex and we as adults pretend we were the only ones who had sex before marriage while still in school. Truth is we just didn't get caught and or used protection.

    Honesty to ourselves and thus to our young people would go a long way to curb the use of Abortion as birth control.

    Along with reality we should limit the use of Abortions and more people might just be more responsible.

    I appose Abortion but I also appose murder and I see late term abortion as nothing but murder straight up.

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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    What pro-choicers have a problem with is a lack of nuance in this law that will protect abortion providers for women who, of their own choice, choose not to carry a fetus to term.
    FOR AN ACT ENTITLED, An Act to provide that the use of force by a pregnant woman for the protection of her unborn child is an affirmative defense to prosecutions for certain crimes.
    ....so unless she's going to kill herself....

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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Did you in turn beat the dog **** out of her baby daddy?
    He disappeared when the cops went looking for him. He managed to stay off the grid, selling drugs, as the state couldn't find him and force him to pay child support. A few years later he OD'd on heroin.

    Boy my sis really knows how to pick'em.

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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Seeing as how the mother is carrying said fetus, any deadly threat against the fetus is also a deadly threat against the mother, entitling herself to use deadly force under standard self defense laws. I don't see what circumstances this law would be any different that what we have today. Killing an abortion doctor would not be covered for the same reason that you can't kill a regular doctor even if he cutting you open with a knife. Overall, this bill appears to do nothing at all.
    As the law stands today, if a man punches her in the stomach and she pulls out a gun and kills him, she gets charged with murder.

    This bill would make that act Justifiable Homicide.

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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    ....so unless she's going to kill herself....
    Quote Originally Posted by The Article
    A House committee expanded the bill to include allowing other relatives to use force, including a pregnant woman's father, mother, son, daughter or husband.
    Or a pregnant woman's husband tries to stop her from getting an abortion by bombing the building of the local abortion provider. Under this law, that man could, in theory, claim that he was acting in defense of the child of his pregnant wife, which is why pro-choicers have a problem with this law as written.

    I'm not saying that we should get rid of this law. Rather, I'm saying that certain specific protections should be given to abortion providers in the law to protect them from violent zealots. I hope you see the distinction.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    As the law stands today, if a man punches her in the stomach and she pulls out a gun and kills him, she gets charged with murder.

    This bill would make that act Justifiable Homicide.
    While it depends on the circumstances, a pregnant woman can already shoot someone in self defense for physically attacking her.

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