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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Abortionist fear the law because it treats a child in the womb as a person.
    No, the fear the law because it could get them killed.

    You were attempting to call me a hypocrite because of some half ass assumption of yours that all anti-illegal immigration go what about the rule of law.
    Yes, I made an assumption that many that argue immigration care about the rule of law. Its clear you don't, thanks for clarifying.

    If your were being honest you would know that the law is not always right and that it is idiotic to sit there and say that you should always obey the law even if you are a the person being royally ****ed by it like a slave for example in a society where slavery is legal.
    You're right, the law isn't always right. And I've got no problem with non-violent protests of it, or legal attempts to change the law, or even violent action if someone feels its necessary as long as they are willing to accept the concesquences of their OWN wrongful act.

    What I don't agree with is LEGALIZING something that is wrong to do as a solution to something that is wrong to do. I don't believe in two wrongs making a right.

    Why a state issue? Should murder, rape and other crimes be a state issue instead of illegal all across the country?
    Because this issue is not nearly as clear cut as murder, rape, or various other crimes. It is not a clear, unquestionable way to declare whether or not a fetus/baby is unquestionably factually a living human being or not, its completely a matter of ones own definition, view, and belief structure leading to an answer. Similarly, those other issues don't have a case where the potential victim is living in a symbiotic relationship within another person. The issue is far, far more nuanced and as such I don't believe constitutionally it is something that the federal government should be enforcing upon people.

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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Irrelevant to my point.

    I did not make any statement either for or against one way or the other.
    Your point was invalid. You are comparing a ****ing legal medical procedure to a child in development to the murdering of a fully grown adult. Do you honestly not see how ridiculous that is?

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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Some consider an unborn "fetus" a child and worth protecting.
    However constitutionally, at this point in time, the law doesn't.

    Until that changes, we should not be passing laws that allow people to kill abortion doctors for performing a legal procedure.

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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I see you still think your argument is legitimate.
    Your refusal to answer the question reveals that you don't give two ****s about the legality of it and therefore would do the same thing that a handful of pro-lifers are doing if it became legal to kill gays. Having read abortion threads you abortionists don't give two ****s about the legality of abortion either. So sitting there but its legal is a completely dishonest tactic.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Your point was invalid. You are comparing a ****ing legal medical procedure to a child in development to the murdering of a fully grown adult. Do you honestly not see how ridiculous that is?
    And there it is again. Your "it's legal" is not a valid argument. You are also trying to ignore the fact allot of people consider the baby as worthy of protection. So a child say 8 months along, still in development is not worthy of protection under the law? Do you not see how ridicules your argument is?

    Again it is nothing but a fallacy based on popularism. It is legal therefor it is right does not cut it in the area of debate. Considering the amount of overturned laws, this should be a well known fact.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Your point was invalid. You are comparing a ****ing legal medical procedure to a child in development to the murdering of a fully grown adult. Do you honestly not see how ridiculous that is?
    I hear that in WW2 the Germans conducted a number of "medical procedures" also.....

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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    And there it is again. Your "it's legal" is not a valid argument. You are also trying to ignore the fact allot of people consider the baby as worthy of protection. So a child say 8 months along, still in development is not worthy of protection under the law? Do you not see how ridicules your argument is?

    Again it is nothing but a fallacy based on popularism. It is legal therefor it is right does not cut it in the area of debate. Considering the amount of overturned laws, this should be a well known fact.
    They're also not taking into account what the existing SD law is. They think everywhere is California.

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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    However constitutionally, at this point in time, the law doesn't.

    Until that changes, we should not be passing laws that allow people to kill abortion doctors for performing a legal procedure.
    Does not matter and has nothing to do with my point or argument. I don't see the law as a problem as I don't see it passing in it's present form.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If was legal to kills gay then I am pretty sure you would be advocating killing those trying to kill gays instead of uttering the 'but its legal' line as though it was some sort defense like you do with monsters who kill babies.
    Here, I'll be open and honest with you.

    If your hypothetical, idiotic, unconstitutional law actually was in place then I'd fight legally for it to be overturned, I would not kill a gay person, I would try to speak against the action, I would try to defend a gay person from someone trying to kill them. And I would have to accept my punishment if in that defense I broke the law myself.

    However I would not push for a law to legalize the killing of someone whose job it was to kill gay people, because such a law would be almost as abysmal and wrong as the law I have a problem with in the first place.

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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    It's interesting that "pro-life" only applies when you want it to.
    I'm not pro-life. Never was.

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