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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I oppose any law that allows you to kill someone who is performing a legal medical procedure and call it justified.

    Don't you?
    I oppose any thing that kills an innocent human being to be called a medical procedure.
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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You and jamesrage are changing the subject here. What about when it is a legal procedure? You're ok with murder of the doctor then?
    Someone who takes an innocent baby's life is no doctor,he is a monster.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I oppose any thing that kills an innocent human being to be called a medical procedure.
    Do you consider abortion clinic bombers to be terrorists?
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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Do you consider abortion clinic bombers to be terrorists?
    I consider it an act of vigilantism. Someone taking the law into their own hands to stop people who are killing babies.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Fact of the matter is that legally, the "unborn" can be killed under the law prior to a certain point. So no, there should not be a legal law allowing for a father to kill an abortion doctor who is set to perform a legal abortion....which is what this law is doing.

    I at least vaguely can sympathize in cases where the person is performing an ILLEGAL abortion, but that's not what this law is talking about no matter how many times Jerry wants to suggest it is:

    or to harm the unborn child of such person in a manner and to a degree likely to result in the death of the unborn child,
    That could be used to justify killing a doctor giving an abortion in the first trimester, because the law doesn't in any way differentiate whether its occuring when the person is legally or illegally attempting to take action that will result in the death of the unborn child.

    And under the law as it is constitutionally defined in the U.S. today, unless the state has some other additional law making things mores stringent, its perfectly legal to perform abortions during the 1st or 2nd trimester which means that the doctor should not be under risk of death for performing a LEGAL act.

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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's not a legal procedure if the unborn is protected by law. At that point it's an illegal procedure and yes lethal force is justified.
    Well thanks for being honest and explaining that this is simply a constitutional end around regarding the legality of abortions and in reality has jack **** to do with "self defense" in its reason for being pushed.

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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I consider it an act of vigilantism. Someone taking the law into their own hands to stop people who are killing babies.
    And you are the exact type of person that myself and most others are opposing such a law as this.

    I love watching people who go on and on in immigration threads about "the rule of law" supporting and propping up "vigilantism" as a good thing. Guess the rule of law only matters when it benefits your position.

    I think abortion law in this country is a bad thing. I also think killing doctors for performing legal procedures is a bad thing. I am not such a hypocrite in my positions that I think two wrong things make a right.

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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I consider it an act of vigilantism. Someone taking the law into their own hands to stop people who are killing babies.
    Ahh. So it's not terrorism if the one committing the violence really believes he's doing the right thing.

    Let's say I really think Hollywood is corrupting American children with its sex and violence. I blow up movie studios to get them to stop making movies. Terrorism or vigilantism?

    Let's say I hate the American government in general. So many corrupt politicians. So I blow up government buildings. Let's say I'm Muslim and think America is the Great Satan. Vigilantism? America does kill Muslims on a regular basis, after all. Oh, you say that's war therefore what our troops do is legal? Abortion is legal...

    Are you really unwilling to condemn terrorism as terrorism?
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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And you are the exact type of person that myself and most others are opposing such a law as this.
    Abortionists oppose this law because it basically treats a baby in the womb as a person that can be legally protected. Which in the long run is another baby step towards eliminating on demand abortion in their eyes.

    I love watching people who go on and on in immigration threads about "the rule of law" supporting and propping up "vigilantism" as a good thing.
    I seriously doubt you go to the immigration threads. If you did you would know that with me its a sovereignty and nationality issue.


    Guess the rule of law only matters when it benefits your position.
    There are times when it is justified to ignore the law. For example if a law is blatantly unconstitutional then you as a patriotic American has the duty to ignore it. Another example would be back then when slavery was illegal, the abolitionist were justified in freeing the slaves and the slaves were justified in using lethal force to free themselves form their masters. Today its defending those in the womb against these so-called called doctors.

    I think abortion law in this country is a bad thing. I also think killing doctors for performing legal procedures is a bad thing. I am not such a hypocrite in my positions that I think two wrong things make a right.
    What is your position? Are you actually pro-life/anti-abortion or are you one of those liars who claims to be pro-life and pro-choice at the same time?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Well thanks for being honest and explaining that this is simply a constitutional end around regarding the legality of abortions and in reality has jack **** to do with "self defense" in its reason for being pushed.
    That's all these laws ever are, just like requiring certain light bulbs has nothing to do with saving energy. Different goal but same the same MO.

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