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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Akston View Post
    As opposed to your arguments sounding like the welfare sucking, tree-hugging, nanny-state, folks of all colors from California...who voted for Jimmy Carter, Woodrow Wilson and Barack Obama? Oh wait, nevermind...

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    oh my! guess we be in trouble......must admit i did vote for wilson, despite faux news advisory....and yeah, i be from cali!

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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So essentially you're in favor of legalizing murder, as long as its murder you approve of. The law states that it could be justifiable homicide if you kill someone whose intent is:

    "to harm the unborn child of such person in a manner and to a degree likely to result in the death of the unborn child, "

    Note, doesn't say "harm the unborn child" illegally...but simply says harm it. So a doctor performing a legal 1st trimester abortion...hell, a person in a clinic giving the person the morning after pill...could be concievably killed under "justifiable" homicide for doing a completely lawful act that is part of their job.

    How in the world is allowing people performing a legal action that is part of their job be legally murdered a "good" thing. Even if you think abortion is a bad thing, legalizing further murder isn't a solution.
    I support legalizing self defense. I think it should be legal for someone to kill an attacker that is trying to kill a woman or her unborn child. I believe unborn children deserve to be treated equally with human rights, and as such deserve to have killings for their protection being classified as self defense just as it would be for an adult. As long as abortion is legal though, and as long as women are wrongfully allowed to legally chose to kill their children, I do not think the law should apply (in these cases). I wouldn't support this law giving individuals the ability to enact capital punishment upon abortion providers or women who wrongfully chose to legally abort. As long as abortion is legal I don't think this law should apply. However I feel abortion should be repealed.
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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I support legalizing self defense.
    Acting out in self-defense or in the defense of others is already legal. Read Runyan vs. State:

    In Runyan, the court stated "When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justiciable."

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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Acting out in self-defense or in the defense of others is already legal. Read Runyan vs. State:

    In Runyan, the court stated "When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justiciable."
    I also think it should apply to the unborn though and should be legally defined as acceptable to defend an unborn child using lethal force if necessary.
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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I also think it should apply to the unborn though and should be legally defined as acceptable to defend an unborn child using lethal force if necessary.
    you confuse a fetus with a human bean.....that's why you remain a sanctamonius person and a dumbass slave to the party-of-the-rich

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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I also think it should apply to the unborn though and should be legally defined as acceptable to defend an unborn child using lethal force if necessary.
    It does apply...? A pregnant woman is perfectly justifiable in using self-defense if someone is trying to harm her or her fetus.

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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Arghhh... make them go away!!!

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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by diablo45 View Post
    you confuse a fetus with a human bean.
    Baby | Define Baby at Dictionary.com
    5.a human fetus.

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    2. an unborn child; fetus


    ....that's why you remain a sanctamonius person and a dumbass
    So says the person trying to tell another person that a fetus is not a human being, believes in the idiotic nothing that republicans are the party of the rich and failed to properly spell sanctimonious.


    slave to the party-of-the-rich
    Duh we pu bee cans iz e-vile rich peoples and der de democrawts is is is ga go gu-ood. I can't believe people still utter that retarded crap.
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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by diablo45 View Post
    you confuse a fetus with a human bean.....that's why you remain a sanctamonius person and a dumbass slave to the party-of-the-rich
    "Child" 1 and "baby" 1 have pre-birth uses.
    A fetus is a "child" 2 and a "baby" 2 is a "child", thus we can call a fetus a "baby" 3.
    Legally a "child" 4 is one's natural offspring, which is what a pregnant woman carries.
    So, a pregnant woman carries her "child", her "unborn child", her "unborn baby".
    This makes her a "parent", specifically, a “mother”.


    "Organism" = "a living being".
    Human DNA = "human".
    "Organism" + Human DNA = "A Human Being".

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    Re: South Dakota Justifiable Homicide Bill Under Fire as Critics Say It Invites Murde

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    It does apply...? A pregnant woman is perfectly justifiable in using self-defense if someone is trying to harm her or her fetus.
    I agree with you here. However it may not be legal for a woman to use lethal force if necessary should an attacker have the goal of killing her unborn child.
    Quote Originally Posted by diablo45 View Post
    you confuse a fetus with a human bean.....that's why you remain a sanctamonius person and a dumbass slave to the party-of-the-rich
    A fetus is a human being. I'm not a Republican if that's what your trying to get at with the "party of the rich" accusation. I also don't appreciate being called a dumbass. I respect you and your views, please respect me and mine, let's have a civil debate.
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