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    Re: Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    The two are separate issues, the question of whether Bush willfully lied and how many democrats attempted to distance themselves from their previous support are completely unrelated and the only reason to bring it up to is distract from the actual question. Why? Because Bush was capable of lying regardless of what any democrat in congress or elsewhere said or did. Now I don't think Bush lied, but I know how to defend a point without simply attacking my opponent to distract them from the original question.
    The fact that these anti-war trash salad tossing politicians changed their mind is very relevant. Anyone with at least an ounce of integrity and honesty would know that it is idiotic to say Bush lied when you consider Saddam's history, the fact that not only republicans have said that Saddam has WMDs but also democrats have said the same thing as well, and a whole bunch of other things. A few naysayers doesn't prove ****.
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    Re: Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    The larger picture is that the world is not a safer place, Osama bin Laden is likely still alive, we are involved in two extremely expensive wars, and all of it was apparently because Bush relied on one person's intel. I would say that makes Bush one huge failure.

    Obama's spending in the two years he's been in makes Bush's follies with the war on terror look like peanuts.


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    Re: Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Obama's spending in the two years he's been in makes Bush's follies with the war on terror look like peanuts.


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    And that is for another thread. Obama's spending has absolutely nothing to do with the false intel that led us to war. Start a thread on Obama's spending, and I will post there, agreeing with you. However, that is not the topic here.
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    Re: Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And that is for another thread. Obama's spending has absolutely nothing to do with the false intel that led us to war. Start a thread on Obama's spending, and I will post there, agreeing with you. However, that is not the topic here.
    This is pure distraction. Is anything anyone rehashes for the 1000th time going to change reality on the ground today? No. So, let's not let dumb statements, talking points from 2006 be made today as though they have any credibility agree?


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    Re: Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It always amazes me how the anti-bush conspiracy theorists ignore these facts. The naysayers are a drop in the bucket compared with these other facts. Why would anyone in their right mind believe what a handful of people are saying compared to what everyone else is saying?
    Much like you and your side ignore the other facts. Odd how that works.

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    Re: Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Much like you and your side ignore the other facts. Odd how that works.

    Nah, we're just living in the here and now.


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    Re: Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nah, we're just living in the here and now.


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    I read it another way. If you can move on without accepting the truth, you can pretend your team was good. In doing so, you're aprt of the reason why this may happen again someday. As the saying goes, those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. That's why I think this will always be a timely discussion. Some president with a weak and cowardly congress could do this again someday.

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    Re: Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

    Old news... this was know even before the war. The Germans and the French knew he was lieing his ass off, since they and the US has better intelligence debunking his lies.
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    Re: Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Old news... this was know even before the war. The Germans and the French knew he was lieing his ass off, since they and the US has better intelligence debunking his lies.
    The Germans definitely knew what was up, it was they who picked him up and notified the CIA that he was an unreliable source.
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    Re: Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

    I read this story and just hung my head.

    It's difficult to put into words how angry I am over this...the number of lives lost or forever changed due to one man's lie to force the removal of a evil dictator. And the Bush Administration went along with it and for what? Because the lie gave them a convenient excuse to push forward with their pre-emptive first-strike doctrine.

    Folks who still stand firm in support of the reason given for going to war w/Iraq still miss the point: By all accounts, Saddam did NOT have stockpiles of WMDs in the days and weeks leading up to the war. And since none were found after the invasion, I think it's very logical to conclude Saddam was telling the truth, that he ended his NBC program long before the war started and by all accounts destroyed pretty much everything. Even the Bush Administration has admitted that they were wrong on this matter.

    Such a waste of lives and resources for two men's selfish ambitions - one to overthrow his country's tyrannical dictator, the other to feed his ego.

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