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    Re: Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

    "Curveball" tells The Guardian that when he complained to his German handlers that they had violated an agreement not to pass his information to a third country, he was told not to speak and was placed in lockdown for about 90 days.
    Does anyone believe that we couldn’t get into see/interrogate curveball while he was locked up for the 90 days?
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    Re: Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Does anyone believe that we couldn’t get into see/interrogate curveball while he was locked up for the 90 days?
    If we wanted to know. It wouldn't have been too hard to know he wasn't realiable.

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    Re: Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I won't go as far as to say Bush lied, but the onus was on his administration to prove beyond all doubt that the casus belli was sound and justified. The fact that it wasn't sound leads me to the conclusion that they likely had ulterior motives in invading Iraq (or just plain didn't know what they were doing).
    I think at the end of the day you're left with one or the other. But I find it hard to believe Cheney, if no one else, didn't know what he was doing. He was experienced. He's intelligent. And has been competent his entire career. So, as part of the administration, to which Bush is accountable for, I fall on the side of the effort being dishonest.

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    Re: Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

    This "Curveball" guy should be put on trial in Iraq.
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    Re: Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

    Doesn't really matter who lied or if Bush was in on it. That war was going to happen one way or another. Public consent didn't matter all that much.

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    Re: Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    This was before I retired and as I recall doing research on the subject for my Show at the time the evidence was much more than one defectors claims.

    For one thing Saddam did his best to make the world believe he had WMDs to insure that Iran would not attack Iraq again.

    Saddam also played cat and mouse with UN inspectors trying to find evidence of WMDs in the form of a Nuclear Program and it interpreted as hiding the same when in truth it was to keep his lack of them from coming to light.

    We also knew that Saddam did have Chemical weapons because he had used them on his own people. What we didn't know was to what extent they went.

    Turns out he had a pretty big stock pile of Chemical Artillery Shells in that warehouse that was burned making a lot of the Allied Troops sick in the process.

    I wonder if Curveball was payed for this story. His lies in my mind were used only to varify what the UN, ours and other Intelligences, already believed.

    The Left will once again ignore the volume of evidence used to get the Bi-Partisan votes in Congress that authorized the invasion

    It always amazes me how the anti-bush conspiracy theorists ignore these facts. The naysayers are a drop in the bucket compared with these other facts. Why would anyone in their right mind believe what a handful of people are saying compared to what everyone else is saying?
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    Re: Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

    To the OP :

    Conspiracy theorists + 1

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    Re: Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It always amazes me how the anti-bush conspiracy theorists ignore these facts. The naysayers are a drop in the bucket compared with these other facts. Why would anyone in their right mind believe what a handful of people are saying compared to what everyone else is saying?
    What really amazes me is that so many people think the best way to defend the decision to go to war against Iraq is point out that most democrats supposed it, as if that has anything to do with the final analysis of the situation. Or as if two groups being wrong means its impossible to call just one of them wrong.

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    Re: Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    What really amazes me is that so many people think the best way to defend the decision to go to war against Iraq is point out that most democrats supposed it,as if that has anything to do with the final analysis of the situation. Or as if two groups being wrong means its impossible to call just one of them wrong.
    The reason most people point out the fact that those democrats supported the war in Iraq or uttered the line that Saddam has WMDs is to point out that those democrats who changed their mind are merely tossing the salad of anti-war trash for votes and that it is idiotic to sit there like a retard going Bush lied for war.
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    Re: Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The reason most people point out the fact that those democrats supported the war in Iraq or uttered the line that Saddam has WMDs is to point out that those democrats who changed their mind are merely tossing the salad of anti-war trash for votes and that it is idiotic to sit there like a retard going Bush lied for war.
    The two are separate issues, the question of whether Bush willfully lied and how many democrats attempted to distance themselves from their previous support are completely unrelated and the only reason to bring it up to is distract from the actual question. Why? Because Bush was capable of lying regardless of what any democrat in congress or elsewhere said or did. Now I don't think Bush lied, but I know how to defend a point without simply attacking my opponent to distract them from the original question.

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