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    Re: Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    There is a clear conflict of interests in the source of the information that should have raised red flags to everyone involved. No jury in their right mind would accept the testimony of an individual who clearly had something to gain from lying. As far as I'm concerned, they're all guilty of the same bull****.
    But if everyone regardless of political affiliations has been saying Saddam got WMDs and this was even before Bush was office and Saddam has used WMDs in the past then a jury would believe the testimony of that individual with something to gain. Besides that how many juries believe the testimony of a man with a plea bargaining deal?


    What Democrats said about Weapons of Mass Destruction
    "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
    - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

    "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
    - President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

    "We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
    - Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998

    "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
    - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

    "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
    Letter to President Clinton.
    - (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998

    "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
    - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

    "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
    - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    our EOD guys were incinerating cannisters of nerve/mustard gas on a regular basis. sure we never found caches of thousands at any one time, but a dozen here a dozen there...it adds up.
    I am sure now the anti-Bush conspiracy theorists/the leftist version of Birthers will claim its not a massive stock pile of WMDs or just pretend that those things never existed.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

    I am not willing to excuse Bush. Curveball was never considered a valid source. The new Yorker wrote about it as early as 2004. Do we really believe Bush was this far in the dark?


    The C.I.A. remained skeptical of the defectors that the I.N.C. was promoting, and insisted on examining them independently. President Bush was informed of the C.I.A.’s view of Chalabi soon after taking office, but he ultimately sided with Vice-President Cheney and the neocons.

    Read more A Reporter at Large: The Manipulator : The New Yorker

    Before the war, the CIA was largely skeptical of Chalabi and the INC, but information allegedly from his group (most famously from a defector codenamed "Curveball") made its way into intelligence dossiers used by President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair to justify an invasion of Iraq. "Curveball" – allegedly the brother of one of Chalabi's top lieutenants – fed officials hundreds of pages of bogus "firsthand" descriptions of mobile biological weapons factories on wheels and rails. However, this allegation made by reporters from Newsweek (Michael Isikoff), Knight-Ridder (Jonathan Landay), and the Los Angeles Times (Bob Drogin) has been proven completely false.[6] Secretary of State Colin Powell later used this information in a U.N. presentation trying to garner support for the war, despite warnings from German intelligence that "Curveball" was fabricating claims.

    Ahmed Chalabi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am sure now the anti-Bush conspiracy theorists/the leftist version of Birthers will claim its not a massive stock pile of WMDs or just pretend that those things never existed.
    It's not a conspiracy. It's dishonesty. Bush wanted to invade Iraq, for reasons not clear, and used intel that was seriously doubted to do so.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

    I guess anything to distract from the trainwreck that is the Obama administration.
    The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

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    Re: Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I guess anything to distract from the trainwreck that is the Obama administration.
    Really? He's got a long way to go to equal the wreck bush left.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I am not willing to excuse Bush. Curveball was never considered a valid source. The new Yorker wrote about it as early as 2004. Do we really believe Bush was this far in the dark?


    The C.I.A. remained skeptical of the defectors that the I.N.C. was promoting, and insisted on examining them independently. President Bush was informed of the C.I.A.s view of Chalabi soon after taking office, but he ultimately sided with Vice-President Cheney and the neocons.

    Read more A Reporter at Large: The Manipulator : The New Yorker

    Before the war, the CIA was largely skeptical of Chalabi and the INC, but information allegedly from his group (most famously from a defector codenamed "Curveball") made its way into intelligence dossiers used by President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair to justify an invasion of Iraq. "Curveball" allegedly the brother of one of Chalabi's top lieutenants fed officials hundreds of pages of bogus "firsthand" descriptions of mobile biological weapons factories on wheels and rails. However, this allegation made by reporters from Newsweek (Michael Isikoff), Knight-Ridder (Jonathan Landay), and the Los Angeles Times (Bob Drogin) has been proven completely false.[6] Secretary of State Colin Powell later used this information in a U.N. presentation trying to garner support for the war, despite warnings from German intelligence that "Curveball" was fabricating claims.

    Ahmed Chalabi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    One or two men against the fact Saddam has a history using WMDs,WMDs were found in Iraq, everybody and their mother said Saddam had WMDs even before Bush was in office said Saddam had WMDs? I hope you weren't one of those people making fun of birthers, Truffers and other conspiracy tards.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's not a conspiracy. It's dishonesty. Bush wanted to invade Iraq, for reasons not clear, and used intel that was seriously doubted to do so.
    You like the birther-tards and truffer-tards want to hang onto your idiotic conspiracies theory because it supports your lets bash the president band wagon.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Really? He's got a long way to go to equal the wreck bush left.
    I guess that's why tards keep wetting themselves and bringing up Bush.
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    Re: Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    One or two men against the fact Saddam has a history using WMDs,WMDs were found in Iraq, everybody and their mother said Saddam had WMDs even before Bush was in office said Saddam had WMDs? I hope you weren't one of those people making fun of birthers, Truffers and other conspiracy tards.
    you forget, we had inspectors in there for some time. His infastruture was decimated. It really was never even possible he was growing and gathering. Some were just too willing to swallow a story without ever thinking it through. The real nutters were those who thought Bush made sense.

    Now, if you suggest Bush had any hand in 9/11, your equal to a birther.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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