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    Re: Silvio Berlusconi To Stand Trial

    Quote Originally Posted by diablo45 View Post
    i don't disagree; i'm simply saying his base of support is similar to that of the gop in the u.s....the rich and the nationalists
    ...and the populist, and the anti-immigrationists. The real problem in Italy is that the opposition is completely fractured. They can't agree on the opening of a bag of chips, so Berlusconi with his tough man, almost Mussolini-esque populism remains the country's most popular politician.
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    Re: Silvio Berlusconi To Stand Trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    BBC News - Silvio Berlusconi faces Ruby sex charge trial in April

    Interesting development.

    Now, innocent until proven guilty yes.

    But I don't need an innocent or guilty verdict to know he was already a corrupt scumbag before this, and it may very well be the case that he didn't, but the evidence seemed stacked against him, and I can't help but think he did it, given his past.

    Oh and "I thought the girl was Mr. Mubarak's Granddaughter".

    Like he, the prime minister of Italy wouldn't have picked up the phone and said "Hey Mr. Mubarak, why is your granddaughter at my house dressed like a skank, oh and by the way I'm just going to give her 10, 000 dollars okay?"

    Does this guy think we're all stupid?
    I am having a hard time believing that this trial is really that big of a deal. if he never paid to have sex with her or waited until she turned 18 before paying he would not be hot water because it is legal in that country for an adult man to have sex with a minor that age.
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    Re: Silvio Berlusconi To Stand Trial

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am having a hard time believing that this trial is really that big of a deal. if he never paid to have sex with her or waited until she turned 18 before paying he would not be hot water because it is legal in that country for an adult man to have sex with a minor that age.
    I don't get your point. IF he'd waited until she was 18 (i.e. no longer a minor) he would have been fine as I believe prostitution is not illegal in Italy. It's the underage bit that's causing him the problems.
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    Re: Silvio Berlusconi To Stand Trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I don't get your point. IF he'd waited until she was 18 (i.e. no longer a minor) he would have been fine as I believe prostitution is not illegal in Italy. It's the underage bit that's causing him the problems.
    He is not in trouble for having sex with someone under 18 years of age. What he is in trouble for is the fact he paid that person under the age of 18 for sex.

    Ages of consent in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The age of consent in Italy is 14 years, with a close-in-age exception that allows those aged 13 to engage in sexual activity with partners who are less than 3 years older. The age of consent rises to 16 if one of the participants has some kind of influence on the other (e.g. teacher, tutor, adoptive parent).[9] Not knowing the fact that the victim is underage is not a legal defence.[10] It is also illegal to perform sexual acts in the presence of a minor aged less than 14 with the intent of allowing the minor to witness the acts, even if they do not take an active part.[11]

    However, it may also be illegal to perform obscene acts in the presence of minors over 14 years, as in this article where a model is charged and held without bail for performing obscene acts in the presence of two 15-year-old boys. It is also illegal to pay anyone under 18 for sex, as in this article where the Italian Prime Minister is set to go on trial and faces up to 15 years in prison for allegedly paying a 17-year-old girl for sex.

    See also related Wikisource articles from the Italian Criminal Code (in Italian). See also more related articles from Interpol website (in French).
    So if he never paid her or waited until she was 18 before paying her he would not be in hot water.
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    Re: Silvio Berlusconi To Stand Trial

    Quote Originally Posted by diablo45 View Post
    and who in italy supports berlusconi?...the selfish rich and their version of our rural hillbilly tparty. italy's gop
    Wow dude....I know your monikor says "very liberal" but do you really have such disdain for those opposed to your idealogy that you denegrate them to such hights? Out to make friends are we?


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    Re: Silvio Berlusconi To Stand Trial

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    He is not in trouble for having sex with someone under 18 years of age. What he is in trouble for is the fact he paid that person under the age of 18 for sex.



    So if he never paid her or waited until she was 18 before paying her he would not be in hot water.
    Fair enough. You're correct. It's kind of what I meant. A prostitute under 18 is the problem.
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    Re: Silvio Berlusconi To Stand Trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    ...and the populist, and the anti-immigrationists. The real problem in Italy is that the opposition is completely fractured. They can't agree on the opening of a bag of chips, so Berlusconi with his tough man, almost Mussolini-esque populism remains the country's most popular politician.
    an embarassment to my favorite country.....back to an ignorant jackass

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    Re: Silvio Berlusconi To Stand Trial

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wow dude....I know your monikor says "very liberal" but do you really have such disdain for those opposed to your idealogy that you denegrate them to such hights? Out to make friends are we?


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    so......bidness men and hillbilliys didn't lead to the gop triumph of 10?

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    Re: Silvio Berlusconi To Stand Trial

    Quote Originally Posted by diablo45 View Post
    so......bidness men and hillbilliys didn't lead to the gop triumph of 10?
    That...

    Or voter frustration at the lack of economic results produced by the democrats amongst other things...

    Just a thought.

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    Re: Silvio Berlusconi To Stand Trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    ...and the populist, and the anti-immigrationists. The real problem in Italy is that the opposition is completely fractured. They can't agree on the opening of a bag of chips, so Berlusconi with his tough man, almost Mussolini-esque populism remains the country's most popular politician.
    nice analysis, alas, italia

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