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Obama's FY 2012 Budget

At some point, things get so bad that addressing the obvious issues with SS, Medicare and Medicaid will no longer be political suicide. We see State governors taking on entitlements in NJ, CA and NY and those governors are getting high marks from public polls. What's his name in Florida before the election (key there: before) in 2010 identified SS will have to go to 67 or 70 years old - he still go elected by a large margin. IN FLORIDA.... there are enough blue hairs in that state to kill any politician.

It may be time.


It is absolutely time. People my age (48) and younger already think that SS won't be there when we retire, so what's the difference? Look, the people that are on, or ready to retire presently shouldn't have their plans disrupted, but say those 50 and less, should be working to make things better, and part of that is reality.


j-mac
 
I don't think that is quite true today. Although in the past you are absolutely correct in that we didn't want government to touch our entitlements, in today's climate where the administration is putting out farcical budgets with spending as far as the eye can see, we know that hard choices are going to have to be made. We can do this by starting with what the deficit commission suggested.


j-mac

I don't think that has changed at all. People tend to want their entitlements, but want someone else's cut. Even the Tea party says things like balance the budget, but don't touch my SS or Medicare. Business wants their benefits. The rich want their cuts. Doctors won't go back to trading services for fruits and vegitables. Famers want substidies. Across the board, nearly eveyone sees the need for someone else to take the hit.
 
I don't think that has changed at all. People tend to want their entitlements, but want someone else's cut. Even the Tea party says things like balance the budget, but don't touch my SS or Medicare. Business wants their benefits. The rich want their cuts. Doctors won't go back to trading services for fruits and vegitables. Famers want substidies. Across the board, nearly eveyone sees the need for someone else to take the hit.


Why does it always have to turn immediately to class warfare with you?


j-mac
 
Why does it always have to turn immediately to class warfare with you?


j-mac

Class warfare? Never broght that up. So, I think you're projecting, maybe too hung up on a sterotype froming reading too much American non-Thinker. :coffeepap

What did bring up is that everyone, no matter who we're talking about, wants someone else to cut and not themselves. You can argue that I'm wrong, but I don't think I am. But it has nothing to do with class warfare. ;)
 
Class warfare? Never broght that up. So, I think you're projecting, maybe too hung up on a sterotype froming reading too much American non-Thinker. :coffeepap

What did bring up is that everyone, no matter who we're talking about, wants someone else to cut and not themselves. You can argue that I'm wrong, but I don't think I am. But it has nothing to do with class warfare. ;)


Well, sure you did, and your AmThinker jabs are wearing thin, you need a new bag. However, what you or I think is irrelevant at this point, the reality of this fake budget, and its fake cuts, but very real tax increases will not play as it is written. Maybe that is the plan, maybe not, we'll have to see.

From where I sit, no one I know is of the mind set that SS, or Medi anything will be in place when we retire, so at this point a real plan is needed. But, maybe you can explain why it is that Obama assembles a commission to tackle the real budgetary problem facing us, then refuses to take their recommendations? Sounds like Kabuki theatre to me.


j-mac
 
Well, sure you did, and your AmThinker jabs are wearing thin, you need a new bag. However, what you or I think is irrelevant at this point, the reality of this fake budget, and its fake cuts, but very real tax increases will not play as it is written. Maybe that is the plan, maybe not, we'll have to see.

From where I sit, no one I know is of the mind set that SS, or Medi anything will be in place when we retire, so at this point a real plan is needed. But, maybe you can explain why it is that Obama assembles a commission to tackle the real budgetary problem facing us, then refuses to take their recommendations? Sounds like Kabuki theatre to me.


j-mac

J, you read that really silly ****, not me. No one said anything about class warfare. That you think someone did says more about you than me.

Now, not thinking something will be here is not the same as advocating doing away with it, or cutting it. The point is, and you have not addressed it, is that everyone sees someone else having to cut, and rarely see their projects or the things they want to use as being the place to cut.
 
J, you read that really silly ****, not me. No one said anything about class warfare. That you think someone did says more about you than me.


This isn't about the opinions in AmThinker, or Media Matters which I am sure you agree with more often than not, so I could say the same of you pal. This is about real ideas for the future.

Now, not thinking something will be here is not the same as advocating doing away with it, or cutting it. The point is, and you have not addressed it, is that everyone sees someone else having to cut, and rarely see their projects or the things they want to use as being the place to cut.

Yeah, well those times are a changin' Boo. $3.75 Trillion dollar budgets that are full of faux cuts, and real increases are through. We need something that is realistic, and sustainable for the future, so how about instead of your empty language and game playing with semantics that you usually engage in, you offer what you think a solution would be?

j-mac
 
all the party-for-the-rich is proposing is the same voodoo economics that led after 28 years to the economic trainwreck of 2008. i would simply adequately tax the wealthy and corporations (yes, they can be taxed)
 
This isn't about the opinions in AmThinker, or Media Matters which I am sure you agree with more often than not, so I could say the same of you pal. This is about real ideas for the future.

As much as you would like to think Media matters is equal to American n0n-Thinker, you would be wrong. A more accurate comparison would be moveon. But I suspect it is what you read that leads to make silly leaps, like the entire class warfare nonsense.


Yeah, well those times are a changin' Boo. $3.75 Trillion dollar budgets that are full of faux cuts, and real increases are through. We need something that is realistic, and sustainable for the future, so how about instead of your empty language and game playing with semantics that you usually engage in, you offer what you think a solution would be?

j-mac

Not new, and not completely accurate. There are some cuts, just not enough. No one, not even those you have supported, have come close to doing what is necessary. This problem is larger than Obama, or democrats or republicans. It includes us, the people, and that includes those who only react when the "OTHER" party is in power.

You're still skipping the point though. :coffeepap
 
As much as you would like to think Media matters is equal to American n0n-Thinker, you would be wrong. A more accurate comparison would be moveon. But I suspect it is what you read that leads to make silly leaps, like the entire class warfare nonsense.




Not new, and not completely accurate. There are some cuts, just not enough. No one, not even those you have supported, have come close to doing what is necessary. This problem is larger than Obama, or democrats or republicans. It includes us, the people, and that includes those who only react when the "OTHER" party is in power.

You're still skipping the point though. :coffeepap

Alright, let's try this...I want you to address me like I have no sense at all, and according to you that should be easy, because you think since I disagree with your POV that this is the case. Anyway, tell me in the simplest terms what the hell your point is then.


j-mac
 
Alright, let's try this...I want you to address me like I have no sense at all, and according to you that should be easy, because you think since I disagree with your POV that this is the case. Anyway, tell me in the simplest terms what the hell your point is then.


j-mac

If I thought you had no sense j, I wouldn't ride you about the American non-Thinker. it is because you're capable that I mess with you.

Not sure anyone could get any simplier. If you are really concerned with the deficit, and I'm not convinced anyone in government is, you have to tackle the big three: medicare, SS and the military, which would include but not be limited to fighting needless wars. And you would have to address revenue, taxes.

With that in mind, I noted, as it is important, everyone always points to someone else needing to cut their programs, their spending, while maintaining their piece of the pie. Pick your group that benefits from government dollars, and this would include everyone from the very poor to the very wealthy, and each will say the other needs to cut. I don't think this is shocking, but once we start with this acknowledgement, we can agree that it is expected that everyone will fight to hold on to what they have now, if not more.
 
As to whether it should be, it shouldn't. Again, no one is serious concerning the deficit.

If you want to get serious about the deficit then cut spending. Why duplicate so much in the Federal Budget that is currently handled by the states, i.e. education, EPA, Agriculture, Commerce, etc.?
 
well, if you're serious about the debt, and since taxes and needless wars are off the table...
 
shoulds and shouldn'ts are for children and other narcissists

grow up

Actually, no that is not only false, but stupid. We argue things all the time, not just what is but what should be. Our leaders do that as well.
 
well, if you're serious about the debt, and since taxes and needless wars are off the table...

Then you're not serious about debt if those are off the table.
 
Then you're not serious about debt if those are off the table.

who, me?

LOL!

you'd rather talk about me?

obama's the man who took em off the table, my personality driven friend

didn't you KNOW?

it's r-e-a-l-i-t-y

obama, by the way, is THE PRESIDENT

oh, and yes, there's no IF---they're off the table, taxes and needless wars

buy that tv, now, you'll see
 
well, if you're serious about the debt, and since taxes and needless wars are off the table...
why are taxes on the privlidged "off" the table, morally?. don't give me that "real world" dishonesty.....we CAN tax the privlidged
 
why are taxes on the privlidged "off" the table, morally?. don't give me that "real world" dishonesty.....we CAN tax the privlidged

The priviledged? Interesting word to describe people who earned their income. Why do you think that you deserve someone else to fund your personal responsibility issues?
 
The priviledged? Interesting word to describe people who earned their income. Why do you think that you deserve someone else to fund your personal responsibility issues?

"earned"?....either sat on their asses figuring oil futures or got it from daddy
 
"earned"?....either sat on their asses figuring oil futures or got it from daddy

All of them? Where is your evidence? Did Bill Gates sit on his ass or Warren Buffett? You make a wild ass statement that you cannot back up. That says a lot about you
 
we CAN tax the privlidged

maybe you CAN hypothetically

but not here in realia

because the president, you see, already signed the BUSH TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH into law

why, it was ON TV, i'm surprised anyone is unaware

as a matter of fact, BILL CLINTON took over the james s brady briefing room in late december to endorse the deal

it was huge NEWS

indeed, those very tax cuts are now part of the bush/obama/clinton/boehner/mcconnell plan

ie, anyone not aboard is a splinter

fantasies are for children and other narcissists

grow up
 
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