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Obama's FY 2012 Budget

And yet none of those deaths have been the doing of the government, not to say that this isn't bad, it's quite bad.

I'm sure that will be very comforting to the families of the murder victims.
 
Nope, maybe you weren't clear for the years we have known each other. I don't respond well to empty requests for well known information that is designed to send the poster you can't answer on a day long information snipe hunt, only to gather everything you want and either never hear from you again on the subject, or have you just dismiss it.

I am here to offer my opinion just like you are, and unless someone in a position of authority, something you don't hold anymore tells me I have to leave, or cool it, I plan to keep the heat on. So, either you show us you know what you are doing with that box in front of you and use the Google function to educate yourself beyond your Union pamphlets telling you to lock step like a good Obama bot, or provide something of substance to debate realistically, either way I don't care, your style, and substance are little more than a morning warm up anyway, in fact, I'm only typing with one hand right now.....heh, heh....

So now tell me comrade, do you agree that Obama's FY2012 budget is really a weak stick attempt to say he is cutting something when he really isn't or not?


j-mac
i know that you just don't plain respond when challenged to back up your claims...keep drinking the kool aid my good man, keep wearing your partisan blinders, and keep being a good little sheep....you are dismissed. next!!
 

From the article

Chavez is trying to maintain spending for his 21st century socialist revolution as South America’s largest oil exporter fails to emerge from its first recession in six years.

Many times devaluation of a currency can help overall as it cheapens exports, thus making it more likely that people will buy your goods. Some have even recommended that it be done in the US and it's a lot like quantative easing, in a sense.
 
How do you know? Do you live there? Are you and Hugo close?


j-mac

Go back and read my entire post, especially the quote from the article.
 
I am disappointed by the budget blueprint. Rhetoric to the contrary that will all but likely hail the budget as an 'important' document, it is little more than a status quo document. It offers no credible path toward medium- and longer-term fiscal consolidation, as it ignores the key drivers behind the medium- and long-term deficits. It all but ignores the overwhelming number of recommendations made by two budget panels at the end of last year. As a result, the budget makes no concrete effort to lay a framework for addressing difficult but necessary issues such as the Tax Code/taxes, Social Security, and Medicare (and by extension the need for meaningful health care reform to address the industry's/system's excessive cost growth problem).

Having expressed, my disappointment with the status quo budget, I am not all that surprised by it. To date, the Washington policy realm--both sides of the political aisle--remain locked in de facto agreement to avoid discussion of the difficult choices that will be required. Actions, not rhetoric, show that remarkably little has changed in Washington.
 
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I am disappointed by the budget blueprint. Rhetoric to the contrary that will all but likely hail the budget as an 'important' documen, it is little more than a status quo document. It offers no credible path toward medium- and longer-term fiscal consolidation, as it ignores the key drivers behind the medium- and long-term deficits. It all but ignores the overwhelming number of recommendations made by two budget panels at the end of last year. As a result, the budget makes no concrete effort to lay a framework for addressing difficult but necessary issues such as the Tax Code/taxes, Social Security, and Medicare (and by extension the need for meaningful health care reform to address the industry's/system's excessive cost growth problem).

Having expressed, my disappointment with the status quo budget, I am not all that surprised by it. To date, the Washington policy realm--both sides of the political aisle--remain locked in de facto agreement to avoid discussion of the difficult choices that will be required. Actions, not rhetoric, show that remarkably little has changed in Washington.


I think you are spot on here Don.

j-mac
 
presidents are elected to LEAD
 
he'd have made a pretty good punter

maybe no shane lechler, more like a jeff gossett

LOL!

he has quite a hang time
 
what i see is an attempt to change our society for the better, imo. i WANT access to decent, affordable healthcare for all. i WANT access to a good education for all. i WANT our corporations to stop polluting our earth while raping consumers. i WANT equal opportunity for all. i WANT our country to continue to be a beacon of hope. which of these do you disagree with?

The belief that the above is obtained simply by voting and putting politicians in charge of it.

Look at Don's post if you don't find me a credible harbinger of the pitfalls of attempting to "outsource" hard work and innovation to a government.

Egypt just busted ass to try and overthrow central planning, why are you so out to re-institute it here?
 
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lol.......greed drives up the cost of healthcare, no matter how you slice it. and since when is it wrong to expect a government, by the people, of the people and FOR the people, to SERVE THE PEOPLE?

Greed is factored into *all costs* in human systems of *anything*. Government, private, non-profits, churches, charities, all of it. Claiming you are bypassing "greed" by using government, is fallacy.

It is wrong to expect a government to serve the people better, than the people would serve themselves. Government are made up of people, who serve themselves first, and the people second. Aside from being really what amounts to common sense, Machiavelli revealed all these "secrets", but people still don't believe him, even though his work is a pillar of our western DEMOCRACY.

He gave you the secret play-book, and you ignore it!
 
what i see is an attempt to change our society for the better, imo. i WANT access to decent, affordable healthcare for all. i WANT access to a good education for all. i WANT our corporations to stop polluting our earth while raping consumers. i WANT equal opportunity for all. i WANT our country to continue to be a beacon of hope.

which of these do you disagree with?

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. You can't have what you can't pay for.
 
Hey Folks,

Didn't Obama promise to cut the deficit in half during his first term? What happened to that promise? Huh?
 
Hey Folks,

Didn't Obama promise to cut the deficit in half during his first term? What happened to that promise? Huh?

The same thing that happened with all the other Obama promises, rhetoric trumps substance and actual results.
 
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Folks, lets keep this conversation actually on topic please.
 
what i see is an attempt to change our society for the better, imo. i WANT access to decent, affordable healthcare for all. i WANT access to a good education for all. i WANT our corporations to stop polluting our earth while raping consumers. i WANT equal opportunity for all. i WANT our country to continue to be a beacon of hope.

which of these do you disagree with?

Agreed. Good list.
 
What you want is someone else to take over your personal responsibility issues? Why do you believe the Federal Govt. can give you what you WANT? What you seem to want is the utopia that liberals always promise and never deliver. A govt. that is big enough to give you all that you WANT is also big enough to take it all away. Our Constitution guarantees equal opportunity, you want equal outcome. Affordable healthcare is a relative term and different depending on the individual. In spite of history you seem to believe the govt. can provide affordable anything? Name for me one thing that the govt. has provided that has reduced costs and improved quality?

No one is suggesting anythign of the kind. This is what's wrong with these discussions. Someone on your side of the issue starts making claims, arguing someothing no is arguing. In fact, you in particular, seem to often argue against personal responsibility, suggesting that people not get ehalth insurance and that we pay for their lack of responsibility when they guess wrong and get injured, or ill. Because unless you're willing to turn injuried people away from ERs, you're going to have the rest of us paying thenm one way or another.
 
No one is suggesting anythign of the kind. This is what's wrong with these discussions. Someone on your side of the issue starts making claims, arguing someothing no is arguing. In fact, you in particular, seem to often argue against personal responsibility, suggesting that people not get ehalth insurance and that we pay for their lack of responsibility when they guess wrong and get injured, or ill. Because unless you're willing to turn injuried people away from ERs, you're going to have the rest of us paying thenm one way or another.

boo, i bowed out of this as soon as the ditto heads appeared.
 
Agreed. Good list.

Of course it is because when you talk about greed not once have I heard you or anyone else talk about Govt. greed. You have no problem at all about buying the rhetoric about spending in the name of compassion but not once have questioned the lack of results from that spending thus rhetoric always trumps substance.
 
What a grand disappointment ... of course I haven't gone through the entire budget nor will I bother. That Obama ignores his own debt commission and puts his re-election over the good of this country says all I need to validate why I don't believe in nor support this President. He's all show and no go. If anyone ever uses that Hope and Change nonsense, they should be dragged behind the nearest car until they come to their senses.

Leader? No, we don't have that and he's not going to sprout an leadership skills any time soon. The first 2 years was as good as it gets... it's downhill from now on.
 
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