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Obama's FY 2012 Budget

Obama is an idiot and this proves it:
Obama is sending Congress a $3.73 trillion spending blueprint that pledges $1.1 trillion in deficit savings over the next decade through spending cuts and tax increases.

I have been saying right along Obama was not the brilliant guy some claim and tax increases now proves it.
 
Obama is an idiot and this proves it:

I have been saying right along Obama was not the brilliant guy some claim and tax increases now proves it.

It took Obama wanting to raise taxes for you to see this? ;)

This is Obama laying out the hoped position of "I'm trying to work with the GOP but they are the party of NO!"
 
All part of the Obama masterplan, to turn this country into a European socialist model that redistributes wealth and grows the size of govt. Anyone that supports this is on the wrong side of history.

could you please link me to that master plan?
 
White House Expects Federal Deficit to Spike to $1.65 Trillion - WSJ.com

a 30% increase in borrowing over terrible 2010 when the party of punt didn't even propose a budget

obama's deficit is 11% of gdp

it's all his, he hasn't finagled a single republican vote in years this side of dadt

he won't be winning any over this

there's of course his 150B for research and development, which he used to call stimulus, but he can't pronounce the obscene s-word anymore

so for a year he tried pushing it as his recovery act, but that didn't go over any better

he just doesn't get it, you can't teach THIS dog ANY tricks

the out years, naturally, are worse---white house estimates rely on growth rates unreasonable and interest rates unsustainable

americans who thought they were electing tom brady learn that what they got instead was ray guy

The budget wouldn't do much, though, to arrest a future spike in the projected costs of Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. Mr. Obama has said he's open to making changes in these programs, but he wants cooperation from Republicans before he will begin.

this guy---literally---could not manage a shoe store
 
could you please link me to that master plan?

Why do you support what Obama is implementing? His goal was to fundamentally change this country. Looks to me like far too many misunderstood what that change entailed. You really don't see the masterplan in the policies he is implementing?
 
someone needs a LINK to see the similarities in approach between the obama white house and the old style, failed policies of the bankrupt eu?

wow
 
someone needs a LINK to see the similarities in approach between the obama white house and the old style, failed policies of the bankrupt eu?

wow

Isn't it amazing how cult followers operate? They ignore the history that refutes their ideology preferring instead to showing their arrogance in believing they can do better than the previous group of liberals.
 
Why do you support what Obama is implementing? His goal was to fundamentally change this country. Looks to me like far too many misunderstood what that change entailed. You really don't see the masterplan in the policies he is implementing?

what i see is an attempt to change our society for the better, imo. i WANT access to decent, affordable healthcare for all. i WANT access to a good education for all. i WANT our corporations to stop polluting our earth while raping consumers. i WANT equal opportunity for all. i WANT our country to continue to be a beacon of hope.

which of these do you disagree with?
 
what i see is an attempt to change our society for the better, imo. i WANT access to decent, affordable healthcare for all. i WANT access to a good education for all. i WANT our corporations to stop polluting our earth while raping consumers. i WANT equal opportunity for all. i WANT our country to continue to be a beacon of hope.

which of these do you disagree with?
you damn socialist/communist/////(insert label here);)
 
what i see is an attempt to change our society for the better, imo. i WANT access to decent, affordable healthcare for all. i WANT access to a good education for all. i WANT our corporations to stop polluting our earth while raping consumers. i WANT equal opportunity for all. i WANT our country to continue to be a beacon of hope.

which of these do you disagree with?

What you want is someone else to take over your personal responsibility issues? Why do you believe the Federal Govt. can give you what you WANT? What you seem to want is the utopia that liberals always promise and never deliver. A govt. that is big enough to give you all that you WANT is also big enough to take it all away. Our Constitution guarantees equal opportunity, you want equal outcome. Affordable healthcare is a relative term and different depending on the individual. In spite of history you seem to believe the govt. can provide affordable anything? Name for me one thing that the govt. has provided that has reduced costs and improved quality?
 
what i see is an attempt to change our society for the better, imo. i WANT access to decent, affordable healthcare for all. i WANT access to a good education for all. i WANT our corporations to stop polluting our earth while raping consumers. i WANT equal opportunity for all. i WANT our country to continue to be a beacon of hope.

which of these do you disagree with?

I'll take one of those.... education. Each year we spend more and more on education, yet our youth fall further and further behind the rest of the world.

Why do libs think that simply throwing more and more money at a problem will magically fix it ???
 
Isn't it amazing how cult followers operate? They ignore the history that refutes their ideology preferring instead to showing their arrogance in believing they can do better than the previous group of liberals.

i'm a middle aged white woman, hardly a cult follower. tell me, how did you survive 8 years of clinton? do you pine for nixon?
 
could you please link me to that master plan?
i'd love to see that 'masterplan' as well....won't happen though, as it doesnt exist except for in his mind.....anyhoo, as you well know, if obama had an (R) next to his name, this budget would be all well and good, and everything in it absolutely neccessary to the continued existence of this country.
 
What you want is someone else to take over your personal responsibility issues? Why do you believe the Federal Govt. can give you what you WANT? What you seem to want is the utopia that liberals always promise and never deliver. A govt. that is big enough to give you all that you WANT is also big enough to take it all away. Our Constitution guarantees equal opportunity, you want equal outcome. Affordable healthcare is a relative term and different depending on the individual. In spite of history you seem to believe the govt. can provide affordable anything? Name for me one thing that the govt. has provided that has reduced costs and improved quality?

do you have comprehension problems? not once did i mention equal outcome, the latest republican buzzword. why do you hate your fellow citizens? see how that works? please stop your silly "interpretations" of my posts.
 
I think those who have not seen the master plan need to turn in their liberal card!
 
I'll take one of those.... education. Each year we spend more and more on education, yet our youth fall further and further behind the rest of the world.

Why do libs think that simply throwing more and more money at a problem will magically fix it ???

silly you, just like conservative. where did i say throwing money at education would magically fix it? clearly, your education was subpar if you can't comprehend my words.
 
i'm a middle aged white woman, hardly a cult follower. tell me, how did you survive 8 years of clinton? do you pine for nixon?

What does Clinton or Nixon have to do with what is going on now? I survived a lot of Presidents and don't expect the President to give me what I want but instead to provide a policy that allows me to generate what I NEED. You seem to have a vision for the Federal Govt. that is contrary to the freedoms guaranteed in our Constitution. It isn't the government's role to provide you what you want and in spite of all the money we spend all we have to show for it is a huge debt and the problems remain. How much money is wasted each year on healthcare, education, and the EPA and still the problems exist? Why aren't you demanding accountability for all that money that is being spent and wasted by the Federal Govt. that you support?
 
Geithner Tells Obama Debt Expense to Increase to Record - Bloomberg

Barack Obama may lose the advantage of low borrowing costs as the U.S. Treasury Department says what it pays to service the national debt is poised to triple amid record budget deficits.

Interest expense will rise to 3.1 percent of gross domestic product by 2016, from 1.3 percent in 2010 with the government forecast to run cumulative deficits of more than $4 trillion through the end of 2015, according to page 23 of a 24-page presentation made to a 13-member committee of bond dealers and investors that meet quarterly with Treasury officials.

“It’s a slow train wreck coming and we all know it’s going to happen,” said Bret Barker, an interest-rate analyst at Los Angeles-based TCW Group Inc., which manages about $115 billion in assets. “It’s just a question of whether we want to deal with it. There are huge structural changes that have to go on with this economy.”

The amount of marketable U.S. government debt outstanding has risen to $8.96 trillion from $5.8 trillion at the end of 2008, according to the Treasury Department. Debt-service costs will climb to 82 percent of the $757 billion shortfall projected for 2016 from about 12 percent in last year’s deficit, according to the budget projections.

That compares with 69 percent for Portugal, whose bonds have plummeted on speculation it may need to be bailed out by the European Union and International Monetary Fund.

debt service, MERE INTEREST PAYMENTS ALONE, will reach THREE PERCENT OF GDP by 2016---according to the white house itself

and the prez plays perpetual pollyanna

ie, the reality is significantly worse

p-u-n-t
 
I think those who have not seen the master plan need to turn in their liberal card!

NO! just tell me where it is, please. i can't seem to lcoate it. maybe it's been secreted away in honalee?
 
NO! just tell me where it is, please. i can't seem to lcoate it. maybe it's been secreted away in honalee?

I couldn't reveal it on a public forum, than the socialist work gangs will get me! Visit your local liberal community organizer underground lair, you will find a copy there, between the communist manifesto and the satanic bible.
 
do you have comprehension problems? not once did i mention equal outcome, the latest republican buzzword. why do you hate your fellow citizens? see how that works? please stop your silly "interpretations" of my posts.

I don't hate my fellow citizens that is why I contibute significantly to local charities and why I believe that it is the goal of the states to handle social issues. Sorry if I misinterpreted your claim as to what you want as being an equal outcome demand. If you don't have an opportunity for a good education then why? If you don't have the opportunity for affordable healthcare then the question is why? What drives up the cost of healthcare? What prevents you from getting a good education?

This thread is about the Obama budget so what is it in that budget if not just more spending that generates the results you WANT?
 
silly you, just like conservative. where did i say throwing money at education would magically fix it? clearly, your education was subpar if you can't comprehend my words.

Ahhh, so you believe Obama can "change society for the better" by just waving his magic wand ??? Since this thread is about Obama's obscene budget, I think its safe to say that he has every intention of "throwing more money" at it, just like he's done in the past. And.... since you obviously worship the ground he walks on, it's a safe assumption that you probably agree with him.

You see, I went to school before there was a Dept of Education, so I got a very rounded education that included logic.
 
Attention all Conservatives!

Attention all Conservatives!

Calling all Conservatives!


We understand that you do not like the current President. We know this. Please stop making theses threads which have no purpose other than to bash Obama. The rest of us already understand that you don't like him, what your doing is just overstating fact.
 
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