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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

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    How do you know? Do you live there? Are you and Hugo close?


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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I'm sure that will be very comforting to the families of the murder victims.
    You tried to suggest that these killings were by the gov.

    Are you serious ???

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/23/wo...s/23venez.html

    Venezuela murder-rate quadrupled under Chavez: NGO | Reuters

    There are dozens more on the same subject. Seems you don't know Chavez very well after all.
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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    You tried to suggest that these killings were by the gov.
    I did no such thing.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    I am disappointed by the budget blueprint. Rhetoric to the contrary that will all but likely hail the budget as an 'important' document, it is little more than a status quo document. It offers no credible path toward medium- and longer-term fiscal consolidation, as it ignores the key drivers behind the medium- and long-term deficits. It all but ignores the overwhelming number of recommendations made by two budget panels at the end of last year. As a result, the budget makes no concrete effort to lay a framework for addressing difficult but necessary issues such as the Tax Code/taxes, Social Security, and Medicare (and by extension the need for meaningful health care reform to address the industry's/system's excessive cost growth problem).

    Having expressed, my disappointment with the status quo budget, I am not all that surprised by it. To date, the Washington policy realm--both sides of the political aisle--remain locked in de facto agreement to avoid discussion of the difficult choices that will be required. Actions, not rhetoric, show that remarkably little has changed in Washington.
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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I am disappointed by the budget blueprint. Rhetoric to the contrary that will all but likely hail the budget as an 'important' documen, it is little more than a status quo document. It offers no credible path toward medium- and longer-term fiscal consolidation, as it ignores the key drivers behind the medium- and long-term deficits. It all but ignores the overwhelming number of recommendations made by two budget panels at the end of last year. As a result, the budget makes no concrete effort to lay a framework for addressing difficult but necessary issues such as the Tax Code/taxes, Social Security, and Medicare (and by extension the need for meaningful health care reform to address the industry's/system's excessive cost growth problem).

    Having expressed, my disappointment with the status quo budget, I am not all that surprised by it. To date, the Washington policy realm--both sides of the political aisle--remain locked in de facto agreement to avoid discussion of the difficult choices that will be required. Actions, not rhetoric, show that remarkably little has changed in Washington.

    I think you are spot on here Don.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    presidents are elected to LEAD

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    presidents are elected to LEAD
    Obama has no record of leadership and an empty resume in that area. We are getting exactly what his resume showed.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    he'd have made a pretty good punter

    maybe no shane lechler, more like a jeff gossett

    LOL!

    he has quite a hang time

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    what i see is an attempt to change our society for the better, imo. i WANT access to decent, affordable healthcare for all. i WANT access to a good education for all. i WANT our corporations to stop polluting our earth while raping consumers. i WANT equal opportunity for all. i WANT our country to continue to be a beacon of hope. which of these do you disagree with?
    The belief that the above is obtained simply by voting and putting politicians in charge of it.

    Look at Don's post if you don't find me a credible harbinger of the pitfalls of attempting to "outsource" hard work and innovation to a government.

    Egypt just busted ass to try and overthrow central planning, why are you so out to re-institute it here?
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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    lol.......greed drives up the cost of healthcare, no matter how you slice it. and since when is it wrong to expect a government, by the people, of the people and FOR the people, to SERVE THE PEOPLE?
    Greed is factored into *all costs* in human systems of *anything*. Government, private, non-profits, churches, charities, all of it. Claiming you are bypassing "greed" by using government, is fallacy.

    It is wrong to expect a government to serve the people better, than the people would serve themselves. Government are made up of people, who serve themselves first, and the people second. Aside from being really what amounts to common sense, Machiavelli revealed all these "secrets", but people still don't believe him, even though his work is a pillar of our western DEMOCRACY.

    He gave you the secret play-book, and you ignore it!

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