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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Actually, the only way for the world can survive is redistribute all the wealth, give each person an equal piece of the pie, develop worldwide government controlled businesses, distribute contracts by bids, require that every adult must work to get a place to live, food, and all other needs, discard all the law books, try violators with common sense, and keep it all going with computer programs.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    feb 17: my budget "puts us on a path to pay for what we spend by the middle of the decade"

    Dispute flares up over Obama's budget statements - International Business Times

    friday: CBO: Obama Budget Doubles Debt : Roll Call

    no credibility

    no wonder the chris van hollens and steve israels of this congress are so dubious, the john kerrys and dick durbins of this senate so demanding

    no wonder, a new low: Just 31% Now Give Obama Positive Marks for the Economy - Rasmussen Reports™

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    what happened to barry's wtf, win-the-future campaign?

    he forgot?

    or was it just going nowhere?

    2010's sotu was similary an exercise in amnesia---he floated a tax on banks, a funneling of 30B of recovered tarp into small business lending, a spending freeze, offshore exploration...

    what happened to bowles and simpson, did he forget them too?

    the senate hasn't

    friday:

    n a sign of how frustrated members of both parties are with President Obama’s disengagement from the budget debate on Capitol Hill, a supermajority of 64 senators, including Majority Whip Dick Durbin, D-Ill., have signed a letter urging the president to “to engage in a broader discussion about a comprehensive deficit reduction package.”
    64 Senators Declare Obama AWOL On Deficit, Entitlements

    it's a sorry state where the effete filibusterers and chin strokers of the us senate, the world's most deliberative body, provide more leadership than their chickenhearted chief exec

    can you deny it?

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    The reality is what Reich said is basically correct. Can this country afford to spend millions to keep someone who can't get out of a hospital bed alive with extraordinary measures. If a family wants to spend everything they have to do it fine, that is their choice.

    Wow! so cold, so heartless....kinda, just a little evil....."You're old, Just go die already."

    The problem you don't understand, is that in a single payer, socialized world, you can't use your own money to get that treatment.


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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wow! so cold, so heartless....kinda, just a little evil....."You're old, Just go die already."

    The problem you don't understand, is that in a single payer, socialized world, you can't use your own money to get that treatment.


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    Expand your thoughts a little bit. Why not have a single payor system that gives a base level of health care and is funded by a payroll tax. Similar to Medicare. Then for people who want to add another level or more of insurance they get to buy their own supplemental policy.

    As to the first part, not cold just realistic. You probably have heard of living wills. Where people write they do not want extraordinary efforts to keep them alive. I am not saying that people should not live as long as g-d gives them. No one to my knowledge lives forever.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wow! so cold, so heartless....kinda, just a little evil....."You're old, Just go die already."

    The problem you don't understand, is that in a single payer, socialized world, you can't use your own money to get that treatment.


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    What are you talking about? Of course you can use your own money to get that treatment.
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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Expand your thoughts a little bit. Why not have a single payor system that gives a base level of health care and is funded by a payroll tax. Similar to Medicare. Then for people who want to add another level or more of insurance they get to buy their own supplemental policy.

    As to the first part, not cold just realistic. You probably have heard of living wills. Where people write they do not want extraordinary efforts to keep them alive. I am not saying that people should not live as long as g-d gives them. No one to my knowledge lives forever.

    Medicare has an unfunded liability somewhere in the 10s of Trillions.....Yeah great plan.


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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    What are you talking about? Of course you can use your own money to get that treatment.
    Canadian patients who want to escape the delays in the public system are also barred from paying privately for healthcare services. In practical terms, Canadian patients are unable to buy quicker access or better care than the government health program provides. In this sense, Canadian patients on waiting lists are worse off than uninsured Americans, the latter of whom are at least legally allowed to use their own money or credit to buy healthcare.

    The Trouble with Canadian Healthcare —
    What was that again?


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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What was that again?


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    I can't get this to come up j. but maybe you can save me some time. Is this another American (non)Thinker misinformatin piece?

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    I can't get this to come up j. but maybe you can save me some time. Is this another American (non)Thinker misinformatin piece?

    No it isn't opinion is it? Here try this one....


    The Trouble with Canadian Healthcare —


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