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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    we're not talking single payer

    in america single payer is a fantasy

    it's very presumptuous, ie, disrespectful of you to talk to me about your fantasies, as if i'd be interested

    it's OBAMACARE that's the issue here in reality

    in AMERICA those with NO INSURANCE fare better---costs, stays, mortality---than folks on medicaid, the ghetto of health care

    From 2003-2007, 893,658 major surgical operations were evaluated using the Nationwide Inpatient Sample (NIS) database: lung resection, esophagectomy, colectomy, pancreatectomy, gastrectomy, abdominal aortic aneurysm repair, hip replacement, and coronary artery bypass. Patients were stratified by primary payer status: Medicare (n=491,829), Medicaid (n=40,259), Private Insurance (n=337,535), and Uninsured (n=24,035). Multivariate regression models were applied to assess outcomes.
    Results: After controlling for age, gender, income, geographic region, operation, and 30 comorbid conditions, Medicaid payer status was associated with the longest length of stay, highest total costs and highest in-hospital mortality.
    ASA: ASA 130th Annual Meeting Abstracts - Primary Payer Status Affects Mortality For Major Surgical Operations

    and OBAMACARE makes it much, much WORSE

    obamacare massively expands medicaid with no funding

    please don't talk to me about the stuff in your imagination, it's insufferable

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    we're not talking single payer

    in america single payer is a fantasy

    it's very presumptuous, ie, disrespectful of you to talk to me about your fantasies, as if i'd be interested

    it's OBAMACARE that's the issue here in reality

    in AMERICA those with NO INSURANCE fare better---costs, stays, mortality---than folks on medicaid, the ghetto of health care



    ASA: ASA 130th Annual Meeting Abstracts - Primary Payer Status Affects Mortality For Major Surgical Operations

    and OBAMACARE makes it much, much WORSE

    obamacare massively expands medicaid with no funding

    please don't talk to me about the stuff in your imagination, it's insufferable
    Medicaid and medicare are not equal to a single payer system. Do keep that in mind. And nothing in what you show suggests the payer is the problem. Note this from your source, that mideicaid had the greatest length of stay. Could it be that they are sicker, take less care of themselves? You have a system right now where we try to undercut such care. Politiicans try to short the program, making it difficult to get care for the most at risk population. A single payer system would include everyone and not just the high risk patients. Do keep this in mind.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Note this from your source, that mideicaid had the greatest length of stay. Could it be that they are sicker, take less care of themselves?
    From 2003-2007, 893,658 major surgical operations were evaluated using the Nationwide Inpatient Sample (NIS) database: lung resection, esophagectomy, colectomy, pancreatectomy, gastrectomy, abdominal aortic aneurysm repair, hip replacement, and coronary artery bypass. Patients were stratified by primary payer status: Medicare (n=491,829), Medicaid (n=40,259), Private Insurance (n=337,535), and Uninsured (n=24,035). Multivariate regression models were applied to assess outcomes.
    Results: After controlling for age, gender, income, geographic region, operation, and 30 comorbid conditions, Medicaid payer status was associated with the longest length of stay, highest total costs and highest in-hospital mortality.
    unbelievable

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    unbelievable
    Unbelieveable that you don't understand what has been said. I agree. Unbelievable.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Medicaid and medicare are not equal to a single payer system.
    Could you please point out how they are different? To my knowledge liberals used Medicare as a template in the early stages of the HC battle, at one point even saying that they should expand it to cover all and be done with it.....So tell me how they are different.


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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I agree.
    that's nice

    after controlling for age, gender, income, geographic region, operation, and 30 comorbid conditions, the asa finds that americans with NO INSURANCE experience shorter stays, lower costs and reduced mortality rates relative to folks whose primary payer status is medicaid

    you don't know what you're talking about

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    I'm actually considering voting for Obama in 2012. The Democrats will get us to our goal of bankruptcy quicker than Republicans. Republicans will get us there, sure, but I'd rather just get it over with and maybe people will realize that you can't operate in debt space and be successful.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by dadrone View Post
    I'm actually considering voting for Obama in 2012. The Democrats will get us to our goal of bankruptcy quicker than Republicans. Republicans will get us there, sure, but I'd rather just get it over with and maybe people will realize that you can't operate in debt space and be successful.
    So you want the US to go bankrupt?


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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So you want the US to go bankrupt?

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    Not at all. The national debt is by far my biggest issue. But it seems inevitable as Republicrats continue to provide handouts for their supporters.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by dadrone View Post
    Not at all. The national debt is by far my biggest issue. But it seems inevitable as Republicrats continue to provide handouts for their supporters.

    I see. Ok then, carry on.

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