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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    You must be on crack if you think anyone can get health care. They can go to free clinics for small issues and they can go to emergency rooms for major issues, but they are still screwed when it comes to medication and treatment. Hospitals aren't in the practice of giving away free heart transplants to people with no insurance.
    decent health care for the poor? ...sounds like "blood is a BIG expense"... from godfather 1.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You mean any source that doesn't support your view is biased? I understand.
    Wow.... coming from you, this is an incredulous statement based on your usual sources. Your sources included a lack of eye care and diabetes care, hardly a major concern. The last was an article from 2007 about a drop in volunteer doctors. None of your "sources" is relevant to the conversation.

    Try again. Did you try your favorite source Wiki yet?

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Wow.... coming from you, this is an incredulous statement based on your usual sources. Your sources included a lack of eye care and diabetes care, hardly a major concern. The last was an article from 2007 about a drop in volunteer doctors. None of your "sources" is relevant to the conversation.

    Try again. Did you try your favorite source Wiki yet?
    ...................................... told ya so.
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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You know, a rose by any other name, or in this case, a problem by any other name. That you choose to ignore the issue and play gamse speaks to you and little more.
    the problem is that medicaid is even worse---longer stays, higher costs, greater mortality

    ASA: ASA 130th Annual Meeting Abstracts - Primary Payer Status Affects Mortality For Major Surgical Operations

    obamacare makes medicaid (and medicare) access all the more strained

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/bu.../02health.html

    Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe

    reality---deal with it

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    and there ya go

    The GOP-led House voted today to block funding to implement the nation's health care law.

    The action came on several amendments to a must-pass spending bill that would pay for government operations from March through September.

    Specifically, the House voted to prohibit any funds be used by the Internal Revenue Service to carry out the law's mandate that Americans buy health insurance. The individual mandate, one of the law's key tenets, has been struck down by federal courts.

    The House also adopted an amendment by Rep. Denny Rehberg, R-Mont., to bar the Labor and Health and Human Services Departments from spending any money for the rest of fiscal year 2011 on the health care law. Still another provision adopted today would ban the government from paying the salaries of any federal employee involved in implementing the health care law.

    Senate Democrats, who blocked a GOP effort last month to repeal the health care law, will try to remove these provisions when the spending bill goes to their chamber after the Presidents Day recess. President Obama has vowed to veto the House bill, which seeks to cut at $61 billion in federal spending for this year.
    House blocks funding for health care law - On Politics: Covering the US Congress, Governors, and the 2012 Election - USATODAY.com

    the only question remaining is---will obama SHUT DOWN the govt?

    because all the pros can tell you senators mccaskill, manchin, webb, nelson, nelson, conrad, bingaman, lieberman, tester, et al, sure won't

    as a matter of fact, bingaman today announced he won't be running in '12, no surprise

    why do you think the senior senator from new mexico is quitting?

    there's your landscape---fluttering butterflies are just gonna be forced to deal with it
    Last edited by The Prof; 02-18-11 at 05:52 PM.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Wow.... coming from you, this is an incredulous statement based on your usual sources. Your sources included a lack of eye care and diabetes care, hardly a major concern. The last was an article from 2007 about a drop in volunteer doctors. None of your "sources" is relevant to the conversation.

    Try again. Did you try your favorite source Wiki yet?
    Hardly a major concern? Let me know when you need that care and don't have it, and then we'll discuss how major it is. And notice you use of the word includes. Yes, it includes but is not limtied to those two.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Hardly a major concern?
    the real concern is patients whose primary payer is medicaid fare worse---longer stays, higher costs, greater mortality---than americans with NO INSURANCE

    and that's before obamacare expands the ghetto of health care by 16 million---unfunded

    get real

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    the real concern is patients whose primary payer is medicaid fare worse---longer stays, higher costs, greater mortality---than americans with NO INSURANCE

    and that's before obamacare expands the ghetto of health care by 16 million---unfunded

    get real
    Fair worse? You mean as a population, they tend to be sicker. That has nothing to do with the system with which their care is pauid for. Every study casual relationships?

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You mean as a population, they tend to be sicker.
    you don't know what you're talking about

    ASA: ASA 130th Annual Meeting Abstracts - Primary Payer Status Affects Mortality For Major Surgical Operations

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Link didn't work.

    However, let me help:

    RESULTS: Overall response rate of 22% (175/835), 153 US, 22 Canadian. US and Canadian respondents predicted a higher quality of care for both emergency (66 and 36%, respectively) and elective conditions (47 and 9%) under a single payer. Both groups recognized delays for elective surgery. Better access to surgical care under a single payer, seen by most Canadians (81%), was not predicted among Americans (44%, p = 0.00012). Americans (68%) did not believe a single payer would address workforce shortages, while Canadians (68%) disagreed (p = 0.00001). Both groups agree (p = 0.7) that personal income is decreased.

    CONCLUSIONS: US surgeons anticipate benefits and problems that Canadian surgeons with direct experience with a single payer do not experience. This discrepancy must be recognized during the ongoing debate over the future of US health care.

    Single payer health insurance in pediatric surgery... [Pediatr Surg Int. 2011] - PubMed result

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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