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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    FYI, thank you for the civil discussion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The employees that have a job because the company makes a profit. If you don't like what the CEO makes then don't buy from that company. Take some personal responsibility for a change.
    Easier said than done. Tons of money is made off of real estate and already owned assets (one reason cash flows uphill). Also, people don't necessarily have a choice about where to get their services. For instance:

    CHS chief gets $3.5M in 2008 | Charlotte Business Journal
    The health-care systemís top 10 executives made nearly $14 million in salary, bonuses and other benefits in 2008. Bonuses were for the 2007 year, and the figures account only for compensation paid in 2008.
    The top leaders in our state health care system received 14 million in compensation. These are not the most disgustingly high paid people in our society, but they are well compensated. In fact, these people are averaging over 1 million per year while your average CNA earns between $22-29,000.

    So what? Why do you care what someone else makes? We live in a country that provided equal opportunity not equal outcome.
    That's exactly what I am saying. I disagree. No one has the same equal opportunity. Opportunity in this country is directly linked to wealth. The more wealth the more opportunity. And wealth does not disappear, it grows.

    So whose job is it to set wages? You really don't understand competition do you and seem to think that all corporations are evil. It really is a shame if this is the education you are receiving thus I fear for our country. This country was built on free enterprise and capitalism which you don't seem to understand. They make more and pay more in taxes. You continue to want to penalize those doing well, why?
    I understand competition very well. What is your point about competition and having fair wages?

    Where do you think the Federal govt. gets the money to provide everything you "enjoy." What did you learn in school as to the role of the Federal Govt? You seem so concerned about what private industry employees make but not the multi millionaire Congressional Representatives spend of our money?
    Taxes. They also supply treasury bonds. My federal government protects me from big business, unhealthy conditions, and provides the best health care system it can.

    Because that is closer to the people and where our Founders put the power. Take a civics and history class to learn what our Founders created. Why do you think a bureacrat in D.C. can solve a social problem in your state or local community?
    The founding fathers also added an amendment system because they knew that things change. The founding fathers do not live in 2010. They did not have real health care, they did not own computers, they did not have global corporations, etc. Times change and we need to adapt.





    Have you further noticed that European nations are broke and doing their best to get out of that socialized healthcare system they created?
    Didn't you say we are broke? We don't have socialized medicine. I think everyone is broke right now.

    England, France, and Canada want to get rid of their socialized systems?

    There has been no GOP Budget put forth and in fact there is NO 2011 fiscal year budget, just continuing resolutions. the GOP has a plan on the table right now that is being debated for a 61 billion dollar cut in fiscal year 2001 which ends in Sept. 2011. Democrats punted on the budget for this year and were shellacked in November. The GOP will be submitting a 2012 budget in April.
    You didn't even click my link did you? The GOP most certainly did propose a budget in the House and it is almost identical to Obama's budget.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You're thinking of the word "attainable" not "obtainable".
    From your source:

    Obtainable - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
    Definition of OBTAIN
    to gain or attain usually by planned action or effort
    So, being "unobtainable" would be the same as being "not able to attain". They are synonyms.

    **** no. Why would I when I right?!
    From your definition:

    Accessible - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
    a : capable of being reached
    If something can be reached, it is attainable. By the definition of obtain, if it can be reached, it can be obtained. Therefore, if it can't be reached, it can't be obtained. If it can't be obtained, then it is not accessible by previous definition.

    We can go in circles all day. They are all synonyms.

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    Great Britain's
    I heard they were making changes, but I didn't know they were switching from single payer.
    I couldn't find any articles on this - could you link me to some?
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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    whysoserious;1059291500]FYI, thank you for the civil discussion.

    Easier said than done. Tons of money is made off of real estate and already owned assets (one reason cash flows uphill). Also, people don't necessarily have a choice about where to get their services. For instance:

    CHS chief gets $3.5M in 2008 | Charlotte Business Journal


    The top leaders in our state health care system received 14 million in compensation. These are not the most disgustingly high paid people in our society, but they are well compensated. In fact, these people are averaging over 1 million per year while your average CNA earns between $22-29,000.
    There you go again concerned about what private industry pays its CEO's or anyone else, why? There is nothing that prevents you from shopping for insurance companies. That CEO is responsible for all those employees and the shareholders that own stock in that company. The decision on what he makes is for the company and shareholders to decide. You seem more concerned about what they make than how the govt. is spending the 3.7 trillion dollar budget. Wish you had the same passion for the waste of public dollars as you do for the spending of private dollars.


    That's exactly what I am saying. I disagree. No one has the same equal opportunity. Opportunity in this country is directly linked to wealth. The more wealth the more opportunity. And wealth does not disappear, it grows.
    Tell that to Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, millions of other self made millionaires all of whom started with a dream, took risk, invested their own money and became wealthy. What is preventing you from doing that?

    I understand competition very well. What is your point about competition and having fair wages?
    The single biggest expense in business is payroll including benefits. If a company's employees price themselves out of what the market will support they go out of business and those employees lose their jobs. Who decides what a fair wage is? You? What is your definition of a fair wage?

    Taxes. They also supply treasury bonds. My federal government protects me from big business, unhealthy conditions, and provides the best health care system it can.
    What does your state EPA and judicial system do? Your Govt. doesn't provide healthcare, private industry does. Why do you need a 3.7 trillion dollar Federal govt?


    The founding fathers also added an amendment system because they knew that things change. The founding fathers do not live in 2010. They did not have real health care, they did not own computers, they did not have global corporations, etc. Times change and we need to adapt.
    Not the Founding Fathers, Politicians added the Amendments with state support. You really don't know a lot about the founding fathers and buy what the liberal elites tell you. You really hate giant corporations, why? Do you realize those corporations employ people, pay taxes, are corporate citizens, and donates billions to charities?

    Didn't you say we are broke? We don't have socialized medicine. I think everyone is broke right now.

    England, France, and Canada want to get rid of their socialized systems?
    Yep, pay attention to what is going on in France and England.

    You didn't even click my link did you? The GOP most certainly did propose a budget in the House and it is almost identical to Obama's budget.
    The 2011 budget went into effect in October 2010 so who was in charge then? the GOP took the House in November and took power in January 2011 so what control did they have over the budget? Read the article again, Sessions made a statement, the GOP is now debating cuts in the 2011 budget. They aren't similar at all so stop buying what you are told. Did you ever wonder why liberals are so passionate about a massive central govt? It is all about power and keeping you dependent.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    someone asked for the link, i offer it graciously fyi

    please don't quibble with ME about it

    UK Government Plans Major Health Care Reform - ABC News

    take care

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    I heard they were making changes, but I didn't know they were switching from single payer.
    I couldn't find any articles on this - could you link me to some?
    Try this one

    Britain Moves to Decentralize Health Care as US Moves to Centralize

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    someone asked for the link, i offer it graciously fyi

    please don't quibble with ME about it

    UK Government Plans Major Health Care Reform - ABC News

    take care
    Thank you for the documentation, like with just about everything else it will be ignored.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Well, the ABC link didn't say they weren't doing single-payer anymore, just cutting benefits.
    The link you posted was just like, oh, socialism is bad. I wasn't really sure what their point was at the end.

    They're clearly cutting, but Cameron said 'NHS is part of Britain, part of Britishness' or something like that - it didn't seem like they're plain doing away with single-payer.
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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    someone asked for the link, i offer it graciously fyi

    please don't quibble with ME about it

    UK Government Plans Major Health Care Reform - ABC News

    take care
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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    my pleasure, thank you

    but, with all the respect which you deserve, which is substantial, i see you as quibbling again

    and i could see it comin when i linked it, oh brother

    how could anyone allow himself to be so predictable, passe, cant

    truly just a talking point

    i think the meaning of the abc story is quite clear---the pm, admittedly but sharer of a coalition govt, has indicated substantive reform

    and i think, largely, we all pretty much know which direction he's pointing, thus even pretty predictably his specifics

    now, how much pull he has over there, just how far he's gonna be able to push his always extant opposition, i could only speculate

    ie, waste everyone's time

    it's pretty clear, however, that the entire movement, and its fundamentally massive, in almost all the nations across the pond is in the direction of some radical austerity, anti keynesian, almost paleolithic

    thank you for your civility and thoughtfulness

    but please start to separate the significant, the observation, from the quibbling

    ie, the difference between large and small

    stay up

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