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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How do the rich make their money off the BACKs of everyone else? You have a choice where to spend your money in the private
    sector or not to spend it at all. By the way what do those evil rich people do with their money.
    One person makes a business? Who mops the floor? The CEO? Who delivers the packages? Who makes the businesses run that these people make their money off of?

    Those numbers come from the IRS and are accurate just like 47% of the income earners paying NO FEDERAL INCOME taxes. The Bush tax cuts are in effect and the rich pay a greater share of the taxes now than they did before and those 47% don't pay any federal income taxes.
    And let's be honest... they can't afford to! Your numbers seem staggering until put into context!

    The Tax Foundation - Summary of Latest Federal Individual Income Tax Data
    The top one percent's adjusted gross income was higher than the entire bottom fifty percent combined. So you say 47% don't pay taxes, but if you add all of those people up they don't even combine to make as much as the top 1 percent.

    If wages were corrected, this wouldn't be as much of an issue.

    The top ten percent, by the way, earned over three times than that of the bottom fifty percent.

    So while your numbers may seem shocking, these people are doing just fine. I am not sure what sympathy you are feeling for them, but they are making lots of money and things are just peachy.

    Unfortunately Medicare and Social Security were put on budget and thus are part of the general revenue and being spent by Congress and the President ever since LBJ put SS on Budget. Medicare is part of SS.
    This is unfortunate.

    The point is what is the role of the Federal Govt? Federal Govt. today is 3.7 trillion dollars and has duplicate departments to the states and the question is why?
    I personally enjoy what the federal government offers. Aside from the fact that I think the military probably has a lot of fat that can be cut, I think most of the nonmilitary discretionary spending has proven to be fairly efficient and worthwhile.

    What I fail to understand is why conservatives are so hell bent on keeping things at the state level? If we are going to have the weakest federal government possible, why bother having one at all? Why not just be the States of America instead of the United States?

    Give me a reason why? Give me any example of where govt. spending has solved a social problem, cost what it was supposed to cost? Why do you care what someone else pays in taxes?
    I would say socialized medicine abroad. While I have read many studies that say it is inefficient, I have never spoken to a Canadian or an Englishman who wished their services were like ours. Now, my sample size is not huge, but it is certainly big enough for me.

    Stop buying what this President tells you because he hasn't told the truth yet on any economic prediction. The GOP didn't have control of the House until January of this year and don't have to submit a budget until April. We are under the Democrat and Obama budgets in 2011 so where are you getting your information?
    What? I am talking about the President's budget vs the budget put forth by the GOP a few months ago and supported by the GOP's top Republican on the Senate Budget Committee (Jeff Sessions). He supports the GOP plan to reduce spending by a billion per year for 10 years, but not Obama's plan for the exact same thing.

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/arc..._02/027991.php

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It certainly is accessible. What you mean is if it's not affordable, it's not OBTAINABLE. It's still accessible and I am not nitpicking.
    You are. It's a way to skip the point. A weak way, but a way. If it is not obtainable, it is not accessable for you.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You are. It's a way to skip the point. A weak way, but a way. If it is not obtainable, it is not accessable for you.
    It's a way to identify people still have access. What's weak is your constant insistance that two different things are one thing. You wrong. I've proven you wrong since the first reply. Pick up a dictionary and prove it to yourself.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Obama Sends $3.7 Trillion Budget to Congress - FoxNews.com

    Will hear it is folks. Looking at it this budget doesn't save any real money.
    It really doesn't matter what the 2011 budget is, or what the so-called deficit is, and the Reps know it. They're just trying alarm the uninformed voters and embarrass Obama.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    whysoserious;1059291375]One person makes a business? Who mops the floor? The CEO? Who delivers the packages? Who makes the businesses run that these people make their money off of?
    The employees that have a job because the company makes a profit. If you don't like what the CEO makes then don't buy from that company. Take some personal responsibility for a change.

    And let's be honest... they can't afford to! Your numbers seem staggering until put into context!]The Tax Foundation - Summary of Latest Federal Individual Income Tax Data
    The top one percent's adjusted gross income was higher than the entire bottom fifty percent combined. So you say 47% don't pay taxes, but if you add all of those people up they don't even combine to make as much as the top 1 percent.
    So what? Why do you care what someone else makes? We live in a country that provided equal opportunity not equal outcome.

    If wages were corrected, this wouldn't be as much of an issue.

    The top ten percent, by the way, earned over three times than that of the bottom fifty percent.

    So while your numbers may seem shocking, these people are doing just fine. I am not sure what sympathy you are feeling for them, but they are making lots of money and things are just peachy.
    So whose job is it to set wages? You really don't understand competition do you and seem to think that all corporations are evil. It really is a shame if this is the education you are receiving thus I fear for our country. This country was built on free enterprise and capitalism which you don't seem to understand. They make more and pay more in taxes. You continue to want to penalize those doing well, why?


    I personally enjoy what the federal government offers. Aside from the fact that I think the military probably has a lot of fat that can be cut, I think most of the nonmilitary discretionary spending has proven to be fairly efficient and worthwhile.
    Where do you think the Federal govt. gets the money to provide everything you "enjoy." What did you learn in school as to the role of the Federal Govt? You seem so concerned about what private industry employees make but not the multi millionaire Congressional Representatives spend of our money?

    What I fail to understand is why conservatives are so hell bent on keeping things at the state level? If we are going to have the weakest federal government possible, why bother having one at all? Why not just be the States of America instead of the United States?
    Because that is closer to the people and where our Founders put the power. Take a civics and history class to learn what our Founders created. Why do you think a bureacrat in D.C. can solve a social problem in your state or local community?



    I would say socialized medicine abroad. While I have read many studies that say it is inefficient, I have never spoken to a Canadian or an Englishman who wished their services were like ours. Now, my sample size is not huge, but it is certainly big enough for me.
    Have you further noticed that European nations are broke and doing their best to get out of that socialized healthcare system they created?


    What? I am talking about the President's budget vs the budget put forth by the GOP a few months ago and supported by the GOP's top Republican on the Senate Budget Committee (Jeff Sessions). He supports the GOP plan to reduce spending by a billion per year for 10 years, but not Obama's plan for the exact same thing.

    The Washington Monthly
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    There has been no GOP Budget put forth and in fact there is NO 2011 fiscal year budget, just continuing resolutions. the GOP has a plan on the table right now that is being debated for a 61 billion dollar cut in fiscal year 2011 which ends in Sept. 2011. Democrats punted on the budget for this year and were shellacked in November. The GOP will be submitting a 2012 budget in April.
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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    It really doesn't matter what the 2011 budget is, or what the so-called deficit is, and the Reps know it. They're just trying alarm the uninformed voters and embarrass Obama.

    ricksfolly
    The 3.7 trillion budget is for fiscal year 2012, not 2011. The Democrats punted on the 2011 budget and we are operating on a continuing resolution. Do you realize the 2008 budget was 2.9 trillion dollars? Why do we need a 3.7 trillion dollar budget? Obama is embarrassing himself so the GOP doesn't have to make an effort in that area.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It certainly is accessible. What you mean is if it's not affordable, it's not OBTAINABLE. It's still accessible and I am not nitpicking.
    Come on, man...

    define:accessible - Google Search
    # accessibility - handiness: the quality of being at hand when needed
    # accessibility - approachability: the attribute of being easy to meet or deal with
    One of the major definitions of accessibility is not only being able to obtain it, but its relative easiness to get. If you click my link, which is a group of the many definitions of accessibility, you will see that ease is a word that is used many times.

    capable of being reached; "a town accessible by rail"
    If something is "not OBTAINABLE", as you put it, then it is not capable of being reached. So therefore, by your definition, it is not accessible either.

    easily obtained; "most students now have computers accessible"; "accessible money"
    This is my favorite one. If someone is accessible then it is "easily obtained". You said that if it is unaffordable then it is not obtainable. This is quite the opposite of easily obtained.

    Can you quit the nitpicking now?

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Come on, man...

    define:accessible - Google Search


    One of the major definitions of accessibility is not only being able to obtain it, but its relative easiness to get. If you click my link, which is a group of the many definitions of accessibility, you will see that ease is a word that is used many times.
    Wrong. Try using a Dictionary instead of Google...

    Quote Originally Posted by Merriam-Webster
    : providing access
    2
    a : capable of being reached <accessible by rail>; also : being within reach <fashions at accessible prices> b : easy to communicate or deal with <accessible people>
    3
    : capable of being influenced : open <accessible to new ideas>
    4
    : capable of being used or seen : available <the collection is not currently accessible>
    5
    : capable of being understood or appreciated <the author's most accessible stories> <an accessible film>
    Accessible - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    If something is "not OBTAINABLE", as you put it, then it is not capable of being reached. So therefore, by your definition, it is not accessible either.
    If it's not obtainable, it's not obtainable... it has nothing to do with accessible.

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    This is my favorite one. If someone is accessible then it is "easily obtained". You said that if it is unaffordable then it is not obtainable. This is quite the opposite of easily obtained.
    You're thinking of the word "attainable" not "obtainable". Jezus, it's like I'm teaching English vocabulary.... I'm not arguing what is and is not affordable, nor what is or is not obtainable. I'm arguing the words are not synonymous. Accessible is not a synonym for "obtainable".

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Can you quit the nitpicking now?
    **** no. Why would I when I right?!
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    Have you further noticed that European nations are broke and doing their best to get out of that socialized healthcare system they created?

    Broke, yes, but what singlepayer system in Europe is trying to stop being one?
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    Broke, yes, but what singlepayer system in Europe is trying to stop being one?
    Great Britain's

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