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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Sorry, I did. I avidly read your posts - but sorry.

    Even funnier since I'm right.
    There's a difference between reading and comprehening. You should also note that self proclamations don't mean much. health care is not like a store. Nor is like most products. Call it what you will, but if can't afford it, can't get adequate treatment, you don't have adequate access. Once you grasp that, call it what you want to, we can't move on to any other issue.
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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I agree though, Medicaid is a mess.
    and obama just lumped millions more miserable americans into this ghetto of health care WITH NO FUNDING

    his conception of payfor---let the bankrupt states just pick it up

    Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe

    listen to the gubs, dems phil bredesen of tennessee, bill richardson of new mexico, bill ritter of colorado, christine gregoire of washington, brian schweitzer of montana...

    obamacare is a disaster, the american electorate is correctly on to it

    stay up

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There's a difference between reading and comprhening.
    And when will you be learning the difference?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You should also not that self proclamations don't mean much.
    I understand. It was my last ditch effort to try and get through to the haze that permeates your comprehension. I know it's usually ineffective but facts, figures, rational logical discussion... nothing else worked.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    health care is not like a store. Nor is like most products.
    It's a service, sold out of brick and mortar locations. You may have heard the terms "products and services" put together like that at some point. That's no mistake.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Call it what you will, but if can't afford it, can't get adequate treatment, you don't have adequate access.
    You have to nudge that cd player because it's stuck. Let me lay it out like I would to someone who's very naive.

    Access means to have the ability to talk, communicate and enter in and exit. Like your house. You have access to your house if you can go into the house through the door, and exit the house again, to leave the house. All citizens have access to health care. You can go into an insurance company and request information on what they offer. Health care is a service provided by a company. When you request information, you can communicate to a person who can tell you more about their services. They may ask you questions so they can help guide you to the best health care insurance for you. You can walk into the insurance company, and you can walk out of the insurance company. No one stops you from going to any offered insurance company.

    The ability to PAY FOR a product or service is not accessibility, it's called affordability. Depending on how much money you make, and how much money the health care option costs, will determine if you can AFFORD to purchase the insurance. The inability to pay for health care insurance does not affect your ability to gain access, investigate, and otherwise communicate and get information. Those who cannot AFFORD to pay for the insurance still have access, but cannot PURCHASE the insurance, and that insurance will not cover sickness or injuries unless the person can AFFORD to PURCHASE the insurance.

    Once you can learn to separate ACCESSIBILITY and AFORDABILITY instead of calling both ACCESS, we can move on to other issues.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    what i see is an attempt to change our society for the better, imo. i WANT access to decent, affordable healthcare for all. i WANT access to a good education for all. i WANT our corporations to stop polluting our earth while raping consumers. i WANT equal opportunity for all. i WANT our country to continue to be a beacon of hope.

    which of these do you disagree with?
    Everyone is born equal, it's their path to a destination that is different.
    Polluting our earth...forgot that was only corporations, of course unions and other businesses don't at all do they?
    If you want healthcare for "all" you can wake up from your dream world now...even you're so beloved Obamacare won't do that.
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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    So we are in agreement that Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security need to remain untouched and should be off the block since they have their own system of funding and are not causing the deficit to rise.
    bowles and simpson strongly disagree

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    Personally, I'd just let the Bush tax cuts expire and possibly raise them a bit more for the top earners.
    your druthers are off the table

    First Read - Obama signs tax cut bill into law

    The president has. He proposed a budget cut that GOP mocked.
    obama's budget grows the deficit 30% over last year's record rate

    its outyear projections rely on growth rates unrealistic and interest rates unsustainable, the outyears are onerous

    the ny times projected a year ago that service on the debt, MERE INTEREST ALONE, would soon approach ONE TRILLION DOLLARS per year

    Wave of Debt Payments Faces US

    things have only become more dire since

    and of course the gutless wonder in the white house who's been defaulting to his dumb debt commission for the better part of two years won't touch the rails

    now there's leadership pollyanna pipedream can believe in

    embarrassed yet?
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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Once you can learn to separate ACCESSIBILITY and AFORDABILITY instead of calling both ACCESS, we can move on to other issues.
    Accessibility and affordability are inherently related. If something is not affordable, then it is not accessible. I'd say you are nitpicking.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    whysoserious;1059291084]How did the rich make their money? They make it off of the backs of everyone else. Also, currently money flows uphill. The more money you have, the easier it is to make money and the more money you should have in the future. Where as, the less money you have, the harder it is to make money and the more likely of future hardships.
    How do the rich make their money off the BACKs of everyone else? You have a choice where to spend your money in the private sector or not to spend it at all. By the way what do those evil rich people do with their money.

    I don't know about those numbers. I am pretty sure the top earners make a larger percentage of the nations total income. Also, as I showed recently, they generally pay a marginal tax rate of around 17% in an aggregate study performed by the IRS.
    Those numbers come from the IRS and are accurate just like 47% of the income earners paying NO FEDERAL INCOME taxes. The Bush tax cuts are in effect and the rich pay a greater share of the taxes now than they did before and those 47% don't pay any federal income taxes.


    So we are in agreement that Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security need to remain untouched and should be off the block since they have their own system of funding and are not causing the deficit to rise. There's a start.
    Unfortunately Medicare and Social Security were put on budget and thus are part of the general revenue and being spent by Congress and the President ever since LBJ put SS on Budget. Medicare is part of SS.


    As far as cutting all of those agencies... you could. In fact, you'd have to if you want to keep taxes lowered. However, most of those programs run fairly efficiently already so cutting them more is basically debilitating them. Non defense discretionary spending is the most cut and most trend category of all expenditures. There is not much belt room there.
    The point is what is the role of the Federal Govt? Federal Govt. today is 3.7 trillion dollars and has duplicate departments to the states and the question is why?

    So you can end all of those services, I suppose. I think you'd find that to be more harmful than good, but that's my opinion (they were started for a reason). Personally, I'd just let the Bush tax cuts expire and possibly raise them a bit more for the top earners. Something tells me the top income bracket will make it out ok.
    Give me a reason why? Give me any example of where govt. spending has solved a social problem, cost what it was supposed to cost? Why do you care what someone else pays in taxes?



    The president has. He proposed a budget cut that GOP mocked. Unfortunately, the GOP forgot that it is almost the exact same budget proposal that they themselves put forwards.

    It's a crazy world we live in.

    Stop buying what this President tells you because he hasn't told the truth yet on any economic prediction. The GOP didn't have control of the House until January of this year and don't have to submit a budget until April. We are under the Democrat and Obama budgets in 2011 so where are you getting your information?

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    we can't move on to any other issue.
    yup, here in reality where adults are in charge, there will be no movement towards single payer or public option or any other pie-in-the-sky conceptions

    indeed, all animus these days points in precisely opposite directions, obamacare is doing its damnedest just to dig in

    and obamacare, in dire disagreement with all dreamboats, is a dog

    deal with it
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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Accessibility and affordability are inherently related. If something is not affordable, then it is not accessible. I'd say you are nitpicking.
    It certainly is accessible. What you mean is if it's not affordable, it's not OBTAINABLE. It's still accessible and I am not nitpicking.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    in direct contradiction to obama's budget and the promises he made in his hour long press conference tuesday, tax cheat in chief geithner testified in senate budget this morning that the debt projections contained in the white house blueprint are UNSUSTAINABLE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdcQGJF_jmY

    there ya go

    there is not a solitary individual within the inner circle of this white house who owns the slightest clue about what he or she is doing

    still not embarrassed?

    party on

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