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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, sure you did, and your AmThinker jabs are wearing thin, you need a new bag. However, what you or I think is irrelevant at this point, the reality of this fake budget, and its fake cuts, but very real tax increases will not play as it is written. Maybe that is the plan, maybe not, we'll have to see.

    From where I sit, no one I know is of the mind set that SS, or Medi anything will be in place when we retire, so at this point a real plan is needed. But, maybe you can explain why it is that Obama assembles a commission to tackle the real budgetary problem facing us, then refuses to take their recommendations? Sounds like Kabuki theatre to me.


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    J, you read that really silly ****, not me. No one said anything about class warfare. That you think someone did says more about you than me.

    Now, not thinking something will be here is not the same as advocating doing away with it, or cutting it. The point is, and you have not addressed it, is that everyone sees someone else having to cut, and rarely see their projects or the things they want to use as being the place to cut.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    J, you read that really silly ****, not me. No one said anything about class warfare. That you think someone did says more about you than me.

    This isn't about the opinions in AmThinker, or Media Matters which I am sure you agree with more often than not, so I could say the same of you pal. This is about real ideas for the future.

    Now, not thinking something will be here is not the same as advocating doing away with it, or cutting it. The point is, and you have not addressed it, is that everyone sees someone else having to cut, and rarely see their projects or the things they want to use as being the place to cut.
    Yeah, well those times are a changin' Boo. $3.75 Trillion dollar budgets that are full of faux cuts, and real increases are through. We need something that is realistic, and sustainable for the future, so how about instead of your empty language and game playing with semantics that you usually engage in, you offer what you think a solution would be?

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    all the party-for-the-rich is proposing is the same voodoo economics that led after 28 years to the economic trainwreck of 2008. i would simply adequately tax the wealthy and corporations (yes, they can be taxed)

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This isn't about the opinions in AmThinker, or Media Matters which I am sure you agree with more often than not, so I could say the same of you pal. This is about real ideas for the future.
    As much as you would like to think Media matters is equal to American n0n-Thinker, you would be wrong. A more accurate comparison would be moveon. But I suspect it is what you read that leads to make silly leaps, like the entire class warfare nonsense.


    Yeah, well those times are a changin' Boo. $3.75 Trillion dollar budgets that are full of faux cuts, and real increases are through. We need something that is realistic, and sustainable for the future, so how about instead of your empty language and game playing with semantics that you usually engage in, you offer what you think a solution would be?

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    Not new, and not completely accurate. There are some cuts, just not enough. No one, not even those you have supported, have come close to doing what is necessary. This problem is larger than Obama, or democrats or republicans. It includes us, the people, and that includes those who only react when the "OTHER" party is in power.

    You're still skipping the point though.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by diablo45 View Post
    i would simply adequately tax the wealthy and corporations (yes, they can be taxed)
    not anymore

    Obama Calls Tax Cuts the 'Right Thing to Do'

    they're now the bush/obama/clinton/boehner/mcconnell tax cuts

    ie, if you're not aboard you're a splinter

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As much as you would like to think Media matters is equal to American n0n-Thinker, you would be wrong. A more accurate comparison would be moveon. But I suspect it is what you read that leads to make silly leaps, like the entire class warfare nonsense.




    Not new, and not completely accurate. There are some cuts, just not enough. No one, not even those you have supported, have come close to doing what is necessary. This problem is larger than Obama, or democrats or republicans. It includes us, the people, and that includes those who only react when the "OTHER" party is in power.

    You're still skipping the point though.
    Alright, let's try this...I want you to address me like I have no sense at all, and according to you that should be easy, because you think since I disagree with your POV that this is the case. Anyway, tell me in the simplest terms what the hell your point is then.


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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Alright, let's try this...I want you to address me like I have no sense at all, and according to you that should be easy, because you think since I disagree with your POV that this is the case. Anyway, tell me in the simplest terms what the hell your point is then.


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    If I thought you had no sense j, I wouldn't ride you about the American non-Thinker. it is because you're capable that I mess with you.

    Not sure anyone could get any simplier. If you are really concerned with the deficit, and I'm not convinced anyone in government is, you have to tackle the big three: medicare, SS and the military, which would include but not be limited to fighting needless wars. And you would have to address revenue, taxes.

    With that in mind, I noted, as it is important, everyone always points to someone else needing to cut their programs, their spending, while maintaining their piece of the pie. Pick your group that benefits from government dollars, and this would include everyone from the very poor to the very wealthy, and each will say the other needs to cut. I don't think this is shocking, but once we start with this acknowledgement, we can agree that it is expected that everyone will fight to hold on to what they have now, if not more.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If you are really concerned with the deficit, you have to tackle the big three: medicare, SS and the military, which would include but not be limited to fighting needless wars. And you would have to address revenue, taxes.
    your last is off the table, where ya been

    Obama Calls Tax Cuts the 'Right Thing to Do'

    as for needless wars, you need to buy a tv

    BBC News - Barack Obama orders 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan

    get real

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    your last is off the table, where ya been

    Obama Calls Tax Cuts the 'Right Thing to Do'

    as for needless wars, you need to buy a tv

    BBC News - Barack Obama orders 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan

    get real
    As to whether it should be, it shouldn't. Again, no one is serious concerning the deficit.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As to whether it should be, it shouldn't. Again, no one is serious concerning the deficit.
    If you want to get serious about the deficit then cut spending. Why duplicate so much in the Federal Budget that is currently handled by the states, i.e. education, EPA, Agriculture, Commerce, etc.?

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