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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

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    … there may be a wind blowing that says we can no longer pass the buck and find comfort.

    The odd part about that is the 2012 budget IGNORES Obama's own debt commissions findings entirely. I think there are more adults in the room since the mid-term election. …

    Perhaps the Tea Party achieved that: the deficit and the national debt are now forefront before the Congress and the people. I think Obama has already signaled that deficits were an issue for him from the early days of his administration but even the Republicans are now focused like a laser beam on the issue where once their mantra was spoken by Vice President Cheney.

    Where the Tea Party fails in my opinion is their one size fits all solutions: cut, cut, cut.

    And, your point is well taken, Obama ignored the recommendations of his own debt commission. I think he finally stopped negotiating with himself. Both sides of this debate must meet and hammer out the agreements. I just don't think the House leadership has the backing they need from their own membership to compromise on anything these days.

    To solve America's long term budget issues, there must be spending cuts in the major, sacrosanct expenditure areas but likewise there will be significant tax increases in things like the mortgage interest deduction. Finding the tolerance point both in program reductions and tax increases is a political compromise both sides will have to endorse for our nation to “win” this battle.
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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post

    Perhaps the Tea Party achieved that: the deficit and the national debt are now forefront before the Congress and the people. I think Obama has already signaled that deficits were an issue for him from the early days of his administration but even the Republicans are now focused like a laser beam on the issue where once their mantra was spoken by Vice President Cheney.

    Where the Tea Party fails in my opinion is their one size fits all solutions: cut, cut, cut.

    And, your point is well taken, Obama ignored the recommendations of his own debt commission. I think he finally stopped negotiating with himself. Both sides of this debate must meet and hammer out the agreements. I just don't think the House leadership has the backing they need from their own membership to compromise on anything these days.

    To solve America's long term budget issues, there must be spending cuts in the major, sacrosanct expenditure areas but likewise there will be significant tax increases in things like the mortgage interest deduction. Finding the tolerance point both in program reductions and tax increases is a political compromise both sides will have to endorse for our nation to “win” this battle.
    Glad to hear that you always agree with Dick Cheney. What does any of that have to do with Obama creating more debt in 3 years than Bush did in 8? Reagan debt was 1.7 trillion in 8 years, Obama's will be over 5 trillion at the end of this year. Seems to me that someone from San Francisco has a different vision than the rest of the Country as to the role of the govt.
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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

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    Chappy seems to believe that he/she is dealing with a typical group of liberals who buy what they are told and aren't well informed. Apparently trillion dollar deficits don't matter since they are a smaller percentage of the total debt. Now I have heard everything
    Not everything. Now Obama frames new spending as investments. I really think he feels he is smarter than everyone. All he has to do is put his spin on something and people like Chappy swoon.

    This B.S. would be sort of funny if I did not have a 19 year old son whose generation will have to pay for this obscene spending spree.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

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    Not everything. Now Obama frames new spending as investments. I really think he feels he is smarter than everyone. All he has to do is put his spin on something and people like Chappy swoon.

    This B.S. would be sort of funny if I did not have a 19 year old son whose generation will have to pay for this obscene spending spree.
    My five grandkids will be paying for this insanity as well.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    You probably know that the stimulus package that was enacted in the 1st quarter of 2009 was added to the Bush 2008-2009 number …
    I know no such thing but do tell. [Not that it really matters, we'll be paying no matter which budget year the debt was incurred. The point was the deficit has existed and Obama's policies have hardly addressed it either way, nor, do his proposals today.]

    I made a point of saying the “Bush years” because both political parties participated in the ill founded policies that led to the economic collapse. I personally think the Democrats were not hardly as irresponsible as the Republicans but pressing the issue doesn't make the budget quandary any less difficult. Americans owe the money no matter who's to blame.
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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Where the Tea Party fails in my opinion is their one size fits all solutions: cut, cut, cut.
    Typically also meaning -> privatize it...so people still spend on it, just at whatever level makes sense for them personally.

    To solve America's long term budget issues, there must be spending cuts in the major, sacrosanct expenditure areas but likewise there will be significant tax increases in things like the mortgage interest deduction. Finding the tolerance point both in program reductions and tax increases is a political compromise both sides will have to endorse for our nation to “win” this battle.
    Aha, and how do we solve issues when politicans, by your own admission, can't seem to do this? The Tea Party might argue that we would not have an issue with a government that can't tackle hard problems if individuals were in charge of those hard problems. It solves the issue, yet you don't like the answer...why? Arent you capable of balancing your own budget within what you define as your own wants and needs? If we always try and use government to sovle individual problems, and individuals don't have to make hard choices...don't we perpetuate a populace that is incapable of making hard choices and learning from them?

    You point out that it happens under both dems and republicans...yes. So again, taking it out of BOTH of their hands, again solves that.

    What are the cons for that solution?

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

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    Glad to hear that you always agree with Dick Cheney. What does any of that have to do with Obama creating more debt in 3 years than Bush did in 8? Reagan debt was 1.7 trillion in 8 years, Obama's will be over 5 trillion at the end of this year. Seems to me that someone from San Francisco has a different vision than the rest of the Country as to the role of the govt.
    Funny how you don't actually comprehend my post; I don't think you're serious about addressing America's deficit or its debt — you see this topic as a cudgel to pound the crap out of your political opponents. Too bad so many conservatives aren't ready to discuss this topic honestly. Peace out.
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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

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    I know no such thing but do tell. [Not that it really matters, we'll be paying no matter which budget year the debt was incurred. The point was the deficit has existed and Obama's policies have hardly addressed it either way, nor, do his proposals today.]

    I made a point of saying the “Bush years” because both political parties participated in the ill founded policies that led to the economic collapse. I personally think the Democrats were not hardly as irresponsible as the Republicans but pressing the issue doesn't make the budget quandary any less difficult. Americans owe the money no matter who's to blame.
    Yes we owe the money and the extra 1.6 trillion we will add this year and 1.4 trillion next year. Who cares which party did what 10,20, 30 years ago. We should in looking forward. Do you really advocate spending $100 billion a year for the next decade in afghanistan as an easy example?

    Let's do it the easy way. Have a balanced budget so that politicians would have to raise taxes to pay for whatever they want to spend. It is too easy to say people don't want to cut anything. That is true because they want stuff they do not want to pay for. Also taxes should be paid by most working people. To have trillion dollat deficits and nearly half the country pay zero federal INCOME taxes is a travesty.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Funny how you don't actually comprehend my post; I don't think you're serious about addressing America's deficit or its debt — you see this topic as a cudgel to pound the crap out of your political opponents. Too bad so many conservatives aren't ready to discuss this topic honestly. Peace out.
    You have been in this forum for a long time and I know have seen my posts on the subject where I have given actual line items to cut. This thread is about the Obama budget which isn't a serious attempt to cut anything. It was you that brought up Clinton and Bush and I called you on it giving you actual data and facts. Still you don't comprehend the size of the problem just like Obam. His budget does nothing to reduce the debt thus it matters now whether I am serious or not but it is obvious he isn't/

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post

    Perhaps the Tea Party achieved that: the deficit and the national debt are now forefront before the Congress and the people. I think Obama has already signaled that deficits were an issue for him from the early days of his administration but even the Republicans are now focused like a laser beam on the issue where once their mantra was spoken by Vice President Cheney.

    Where the Tea Party fails in my opinion is their one size fits all solutions: cut, cut, cut.

    And, your point is well taken, Obama ignored the recommendations of his own debt commission. I think he finally stopped negotiating with himself. Both sides of this debate must meet and hammer out the agreements. I just don't think the House leadership has the backing they need from their own membership to compromise on anything these days.

    To solve America's long term budget issues, there must be spending cuts in the major, sacrosanct expenditure areas but likewise there will be significant tax increases in things like the mortgage interest deduction. Finding the tolerance point both in program reductions and tax increases is a political compromise both sides will have to endorse for our nation to “win” this battle.
    Well, once in a lifetime the stars align. I actually agree to a point.


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