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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No one is suggesting anythign of the kind. This is what's wrong with these discussions. Someone on your side of the issue starts making claims, arguing someothing no is arguing. In fact, you in particular, seem to often argue against personal responsibility, suggesting that people not get ehalth insurance and that we pay for their lack of responsibility when they guess wrong and get injured, or ill. Because unless you're willing to turn injuried people away from ERs, you're going to have the rest of us paying thenm one way or another.
    Wrong, when someone in my community goes to the ER room, as a taxpayer of this state I get the bill therefore it is my responsibility to pressure the state for healthcare support IF I deem that a priority, not petition the Federal Govt. so your state can bail me out. You seem to ignore that reality.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    boo, i bowed out of this as soon as the ditto heads appeared.
    You bowed out because you cannot stand up to the criticism and dissappointment that is this Presidents budget for the next year.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

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    Obama's FY 2012 BudgetHow about this. I don't care WHY you bowed out, or why anyone thinks anyone bowed out, I care about the topic. Take the off topic one liners and the pot shot insults out of the thread and stick to the topic. Everyone. Last warning

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

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    Wrong, when someone in my community goes to the ER room, as a taxpayer of this state I get the bill therefore it is my responsibility to pressure the state for healthcare support IF I deem that a priority, not petition the Federal Govt. so your state can bail me out. You seem to ignore that reality.
    It simply doesn't work that way. Right now, you are paying for it. Not only that, you'r epaying for failed colelction efforts. So, you pay twice.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. You can't have what you can't pay for.
    yet, you are paying for it right now. More than you would with something like a universal payer.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    yet, you are paying for it right now. More than you would with something like a universal payer.
    We're paying for it with borrowed money and will continue to pay for it with borrowed money. That is inherently dangerous and irresponsible. And I don't know how you can say it's more than with universal payer - based on what existing and implemented universal payer model? Fine if it's theoretical, but theoretical is just that, theory --- saying such a thing is more of a belief than a fact.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It took Obama wanting to raise taxes for you to see this?

    This is Obama laying out the hoped position of "I'm trying to work with the GOP but they are the party of NO!"
    Try to keep up I have been saying this from the start.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It simply doesn't work that way. Right now, you are paying for it. Not only that, you'r epaying for failed colelction efforts. So, you pay twice.
    Yes, I am paying for is so why do you care? You think the people of Iowa should pay for problems in the state of TX?

    Obama just submitted another trillion dollar deficit in his budget and your goal is to continue to promote more spending with Obamacare. How many times have we argued this point, nothing is going to change your mind or mine and I have history on my side.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    We're paying for it with borrowed money and will continue to pay for it with borrowed money. That is inherently dangerous and irresponsible. And I don't know how you can say it's more than with universal payer - based on what existing and implemented universal payer model? Fine if it's theoretical, but theoretical is just that, theory --- saying such a thing is more of a belief than a fact.
    That's true, but not new. we're apying for our wars that way as well. Didn't even Reagan go for borrowing money? The fact is we've been running deficit spending from the beginning of this country, and a small number of folks have been bothered by, depending on the party in power. Both sides make more excuses when their party is in power.

    But what isn't theorectical is that Universal systems spend less. We ahve the rnakings. We spend more. Sure, all countries are struggling because cash is short. But your side seems to be arguing that this is an excuse to keep a system that costs us more and not to adopt one that costs less. I just find that odd.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama's FY 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    yet, you are paying for it right now. More than you would with something like a universal payer.
    Boo, listen to yourself.

    I could have slaves right now and pay less for labor than I currently do. Doesn't make it right.

    You can sell your freedom and then claim you're "better off", but that seems ludicrous.

    And besides, getting more for less is just another way to say "greed". So you want a more greedy system...but liblady thinks government somehow "opposes" greed (or can oppose it, or even knows what greed is!?)

    No, I will pay a higher premium if it means I retain the freedom of choice. People died to get that freedom, selling it for a few bucks seems nuts. And besides, the service you get from universal payer is not the same. You aren't paying less, for the same.
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