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Muslim Brotherhood Will Not Put Up a Presidential Candidate

rathi said:
So the Muslim Brotherhood are in cahoots with Code Pink? Who knew that misogynistic muslim fundamentalists and liberal american women would be so alike. I guess that they have completely opposed ideologies doesn't matter; if J-mac doesn't like them, they must all somehow working together in a grand conspiracy.
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They enjoy trading skirts and burqas, and not shaving their body hair.
 
j-mac said:
Look, it is what it is, these are unconventional sources to be sure, but in this time when the media is so damned dishonest to the people, we must turn to unconventional sourcing.
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You're working your way to the conspiracy theory board, bro, slowly but surely. This is where it starts. Next thing we know, you'll be posting how it wasn't the guy on the grassy knoll or Lee Harvey Oswald, it was the driver of JFK's limo.
 
Links to violence

"The Brotherhood is widely believed to have had a "secret apparatus" responsible for attacks in Egypt, including the assassination of Mahmoud an-Nukrashi Pasha, the Egyptian Prime Minister in 1948[97] and the president of Egypt in 1981[98]

Rachel Aspden's article, The Rise of the Brotherhood states that The Muslim Brotherhood currently advocates suicide bombing attacks on civilians to fight Zionism, and its self-admitted Palestinian wing Hamas indiscriminately targets Jews as such, both civilians and the military, in Israel.[99]

In its Charter, Hamas cites The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and prophesizes the ultimate complete annihilation of Jewry.[100]

Newsweek journalists Mark Hosenball and Michael Isikoff reported connections between al-Qaeda and Brotherhood figures Mamoun Darkazanli and Youssef Nada.[101]

A similar article in the Financial Times reported financial links between 74-year-old Swiss Muslim convert, and businessman Ahmed Huber, and members of the Muslim Brotherhood, notably Youssef Nada, Ali Ghaleb Himmat. According to the U.S. government, Al Taqwa "has long acted as financial advisers to al-Qaeda." Huber is noted in Europe for his links with alleged neo-Nazi and other far right elements.[102][103] He is reported to have "confirmed" having "had contact with associates of Osama bin Laden at an Islamic conference in Beirut," whom he called `very discreet, well-educated, very intelligent people.`[102]

Abdul Rahman al-Amoudi was an influential lobbyist and founder and head of the Brotherhood-linked American Muslim Council before being convicted and sentenced to 23 years in prison for conspiracy to murder Saudi Prince Abdullah at the behest of Libyan leader Muammar al-Gaddafi.[104] "

Muslim Brotherhood - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Believe there is some reasonable evidence that the Muslim Brotherhood has a violent element. Maybe the evidence isn't concrete to everyone at this point. But am thinking I prolly wouldn't let them babysit my kids...;)


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Catz Part Deux said:
You're working your way to the conspiracy theory board, bro, slowly but surely. This is where it starts. Next thing we know, you'll be posting how it wasn't the guy on the grassy knoll or Lee Harvey Oswald, it was the driver of JFK's limo.
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Not at all, but do we have to wait until it is too late before we say 'oh, I guess we should have done something'......

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Not at all, but do we have to wait until it is too late before we say 'oh, I guess we should have done something'......

j-mac
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And what should you do? Go in there and install a pro-US government.

See this whole thing about "What Obama Should do" is really get on my nerves, he's doing exactly what he should do, staying out of the domestic affairs of a sovereign nation.

Otherwise I'd like to ask you j-mac, with your vast foreign policy experience, and expert advisers and intelligence on the ground, what would you do?

I'll be waiting for that answer.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
From the BBC's ongoing live coverage of events in Egypt:

BBC News - Egypt's new era
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Horse ****. The Muslim Brotherhood will go for the majority and they will get it, simply because they are the best organised and will get a **** load of money from Iran. If they were at all serious about "not taking over" then they would not have done this today..

Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood To Form Political Party : NPR

Now, the real question is if the Army will allow it... the army HATES the muslim brotherhood.
 
Jetboogieman said:
And what should you do? Go in there and install a pro-US government.

See this whole thing about "What Obama Should do" is really get on my nerves, he's doing exactly what he should do, staying out of the domestic affairs of a sovereign nation.

Otherwise I'd like to ask you j-mac, with your vast foreign policy experience, and expert advisers and intelligence on the ground, what would you do?

I'll be waiting for that answer.
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See, this is the problem with you libs, you always take it too far. I'm a simple guy JB, and one that although has some years under my belt, and has seen past situations like this unfold, I can only give you my opinion, the same way in which you give yours.

I do not think that we should have meddled in the actual uprising and ousting of Mubarak, but to now sit on our hands without utilizing the institutions available to us to help them actually achieve their democracy ie through teaching them institution building, and our NGO's resource, then we are doing exactly what Carter did with Iran, and that turned out badly no?

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
I do not think that we should have meddled in the actual uprising and ousting of Mubarak, but to now sit on our hands without utilizing the institutions available to us to help them actually achieve their democracy ie through teaching them institution building, and our NGO's resource, then we are doing exactly what Carter did with Iran, and that turned out badly no?

j-mac
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Iran and Egypt are non comparable. Your point is mute.

Let the Egyptians build their nation, your fear is about things like the Muslim Brotherhood, teaching Egypt about "democracy" is not gonna stop them getting into power if people vote for them dude.

Did someone have to come in and "teach" America how to build their democracy?
 
Jetboogieman said:
Iran and Egypt are non comparable. Your point is mute.
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I think they are comparable, My opinion ofcourse, and I sure don't have a crystal ball, also, I think you mean "moot"...... ;)


Let the Egyptians build their nation, your fear is about things like the Muslim Brotherhood, teaching Egypt about "democracy" is not gonna stop them getting into power if people vote for them dude.
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Absolutely. Build away. But they are going to need help. The MB is NOT about democracy, unless you fall for their bilge that is.

Did someone have to come in and "teach" America how to build their democracy?
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I believe France lent quite a bit of assistance did they not?


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
I think they are comparable, My opinion ofcourse, and I sure don't have a crystal ball, also, I think you mean "moot"...... ;)
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lol I shall be more careful when it comes to muut in the future ;)

We shall have to agree to disagree on this one, but the Iranian situation was vastly different.

Absolutely. Build away. But they are going to need help. The MB is NOT about democracy, unless you fall for their bilge that is.
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The Muslim Brotherhood isn't about democracy? They have made no attempt to take over government. Now I do not like the Muslim Brotherhood, but if they are democratically elected in a free and fair election to a majority in parlaiment, that is democracy. Sorry but it is.

Democracy isn't all about having Happy meals and Mall of America my friend.

I believe France lent quite a bit of assistance did they not?


j-mac
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Freedom Fries anyone?

Military assistance is a little different, America forged their democracy all on their own, or do you wanna give credit to the french.
 
Jetboogieman said:
lol I shall be more careful when it comes to muut in the future ;)

We shall have to agree to disagree on this one, but the Iranian situation was vastly different.
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We can do that for sure....I have the feeling that a cold beer and a basket of pretzels would be pretty fun with you JB. :peace

The Muslim Brotherhood isn't about democracy? They have made no attempt to take over government. Now I do not like the Muslim Brotherhood, but if they are democratically elected in a free and fair election to a majority in parlaiment, that is democracy. Sorry but it is.

Democracy isn't all about having Happy meals and Mall of America my friend.
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No it isn't. Hamas proved that. However, it is a fact that when we lend assistance to nations emerging from decades of dictatorial rule, that they have a better chance of remaining free if we aid them in building their institutions.

Military assistance is a little different, America forged their democracy all on their own, or do you wanna give credit to the french.
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Give credit? Well, maybe where credit is due. Yes we did do it largely on our own, however, the founders as I know it were smart men that took guidance, and suggestion well, formed their own visions and implemented them. Alexis de Tocqueville is a well known documenter and I am sure had many meetings with these men.

j-mac
 
donsutherland1 said:
The Muslim Brotherhood can always change its position. However, as Egypt is nowhere similar to Iran, it is highly unlikely that the Muslim Brotherhood would be able to win the Presidency, much less gain a Parliamentary majority. In Iran, the base of secular nationalism was extremely shallow and superficial. In Egypt, it is broad and deep.
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The MB is forming a political party, so it appears they may be in the process of changing their position.
 
apdst said:
The MB is forming a political party, so it appears they may be in the process of changing their position.
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Great, they can start burning the American flag along with another "ally" Pakistan.....Aren't we just loved?


j-mac
 
apdst said:
The MB is forming a political party, so it appears they may be in the process of changing their position.
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How is that changing their position? They never said they wouldn't form a political party, they simply said that they will not have a presidential candidate, and would not seek a majority in parliament, but if the people vote that way, again that's how democracy works.

And besides, what if they decide to limit the amount of candidates that will run for their party?
 
Jetboogieman said:
How is that changing their position? They never said they wouldn't form a political party, they simply said that they will not have a presidential candidate, and would not seek a majority in parliament, but if the people vote that way, again that's how democracy works.

And besides, what if they decide to limit the amount of candidates that will run for their party?
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Are you in favor of Terror organizations running governments? I'm not.


j-mac
 
Jetboogieman said:
How is that changing their position? They never said they wouldn't form a political party, they simply said that they will not have a presidential candidate, and would not seek a majority in parliament, but if the people vote that way, again that's how democracy works.

And besides, what if they decide to limit the amount of candidates that will run for their party?
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and when democracy works in such a way as to propel to power those who do not believe in it, such democracy does not last for long.
 
j-mac said:
Are you in favor of Terror organizations running governments? I'm not.


j-mac
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Strawman.

They are not considered a terrorist organization by the United States, Britain or Canada or any other country I'm aware of.

They were only outlawed by Mubarak.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Strawman.

They are not considered a terrorist organization by the United States, Britain or Canada or any other country I'm aware of.

They were only outlawed by Mubarak.
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They're not?

According to Jihad is the way by Mustafa Mashhur Leader of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, 1996-2002 [86]
It should be known that jihad and preparation towards jihad are not only for the purpose of fending off assaults and attacks of Allah's enemies from Muslims, but are also for the purpose of realizing the great task of establishing an Islamic state and strengthening the religion and spreading it around the world.
Jihad for Allah is not limited to the specific region of the Islamic countries, since the Muslim homeland is one and is not divided, and the banner of Jihad has already been raised in some of its parts, and shall continue to be raised, with the help of Allah, until every inch of the land of Islam will be liberated, and the State of Islam established.
The problems of the Islamic world - such as in Palestine, Afghanistan, Syria, Eritrea or the Philippines - are not issues of territories and nations, but of faith and religion.They are the problems of Islam and all Muslims, and their resolution cannot be negotiated and bargained by recognizing the enemy's right to the Islamic land he stole, and therefore there is no other option but jihad for Allah, and this is why jihad is the way.

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U.S. White House counterterrorism chief Juan Zarate, who says "The Muslim Brotherhood is a group that worries us not because it deals with philosophical or ideological ideas but because it defends the use of violence against civilians."

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Links to violence
The Brotherhood is widely believed to have had a "secret apparatus" responsible for attacks in Egypt, including the assassination of Mahmoud an-Nukrashi Pasha, the Egyptian Prime Minister in 1948[97] and the president of Egypt in 1981[98]
Rachel Aspden's article, The Rise of the Brotherhood states that The Muslim Brotherhood currently advocates suicide bombing attacks on civilians to fight Zionism, and its self-admitted Palestinian wing Hamas indiscriminately targets Jews as such, both civilians and the military, in Israel.[99] In its Charter, Hamas cites The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and prophesizes the ultimate complete annihilation of Jewry.[100]
Newsweek journalists Mark Hosenball and Michael Isikoff reported connections between al-Qaeda and Brotherhood figures Mamoun Darkazanli and Youssef Nada.[101]
A similar article in the Financial Times reported financial links between 74-year-old Swiss Muslim convert, and businessman Ahmed Huber, and members of the Muslim Brotherhood, notably Youssef Nada, Ali Ghaleb Himmat. According to the U.S. government, Al Taqwa "has long acted as financial advisers to al-Qaeda." Huber is noted in Europe for his links with alleged neo-Nazi and other far right elements.[102][103] He is reported to have "confirmed" having "had contact with associates of Osama bin Laden at an Islamic conference in Beirut," whom he called `very discreet, well-educated, very intelligent people.`[102]
Abdul Rahman al-Amoudi was an influential lobbyist and founder and head of the Brotherhood-linked American Muslim Council before being convicted and sentenced to 23 years in prison for conspiracy to murder Saudi Prince Abdullah at the behest of Libyan leader Muammar al-Gaddafi.[104]

Muslim Brotherhood - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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A closer examination of the secretive group provides insight as to why its possible climb to power has Western observers so uneasy.

Before Osama bin Laden formed al Qaeda, he belonged to the Muslim Brotherhood. So did his top deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri and the 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

In addition, the terrorist group Hamas identifies itself as the Muslim Brotherhood's Palestinian branch.

Why are there so many jihadists drawn to the Brotherhood? The group's official motto may tell the story.

It reads:

Allah is our objective.
The prophet is our leader.
Qur'an is our law.
Jihad is our way.
Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.

Muslim Brotherhood: A Global Terrorist Influence - World - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com
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By God they should be.


j-mac
 
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