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Muslim Brotherhood Will Not Put Up a Presidential Candidate

Certainly Egypt hasn't had en election yet.
But if there's 'hijacking' it'll probably be by the Army- which isn't 'left'. It may even be USA influenced.
After all, Mubarak didn't "step down", he was pushed by the army after not stepping.

Oh yeah, I agree. But it's too early to be thinking that the Egyptian Military would remain friendly to the west. I know they said today that they would honor all treaties, including the Israel treaty, however, things can change on a dime.

I'm not a fan of those groups.
But this is guilt by association.
I think most Americans supported the revolt. I think I saw 85%. That's bigger than 'pink'.
Altho Many, including me, see possible problems.


Call it what you want, but the fact remains that the backing for this so called democratic movement came from wholly undemocratic sources. Regardless of what MSM is reporting, they leave out much, and can not be trusted here anymore. The anti capitalist, anti west, and anti liberty crowd has infected this revolt by largely unsuspecting people that want freedom, and Obama that aspect of it IMHO.

I don't think we'll see an Iran.
There's no Khomeini-in-exile here.
ElBaradei is an anti-american Jerk, but probably too old for the revolt crowd.


You don't think? But we don't know. Is an exiled Islamist the only way that this could happen? If that is the case then you could say that the MB has been exiled in their own country for 30 years, have they not?

Earlier, a poster couldn't understand that the MB's rise isn't held back by popular consent, at the moment it is held back by Egyptian law. This could change.

j-mac
 
Oh yeah, I agree. But it's too early to be thinking that the Egyptian Military would remain friendly to the west. I know they said today that they would honor all treaties, including the Israel treaty, however, things can change on a dime.
We have all the best toys.. and money.


Call it what you want, but the fact remains that the backing for this so called democratic movement came from wholly undemocratic sources. Regardless of what MSM is reporting, they leave out much, and can not be trusted here anymore. The anti capitalist, anti west, and anti liberty crowd has infected this revolt by largely unsuspecting people that want freedom, and Obama that aspect of it IMHO.
'Moveon' was not a factor in this.


You don't think? But we don't know. Is an exiled Islamist the only way that this could happen? If that is the case then you could say that the MB has been exiled in their own country for 30 years, have they not?

Earlier, a poster couldn't understand that the MB's rise isn't held back by popular consent, at the moment it is held back by Egyptian law. This could change.
Everyone, especially those of us who are strong Israel supporters, are worried.
It's difficult to see a more passive and pro-USA leader than Mubarak.

The revolt could indeed ultimately produce some turd like ElBaradei.
But the most recent Hero of it was the just let loose Google Exec Wael Ghonim who inspired the last and deciding phase of the revolt!
goole executive hero - Google Search
Just imagine that as Prez.
 
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We have all the best toys.. and money.

For now. We are broke, remember?

'Moveon' was not a factor in this.

I know, they blamed it on the Jews. However, Move on is not the only Soros organization is it? No.

The revolt could indeed ultimately produce some turd like ElBaradei.
But the most recent Hero of it was the just let loose Google Exec Wael Ghonim who inspired the last and deciding phase of the revolt!
goole executive hero - Google Search
Just imagine that as Prez.

Great a leftist that HuffPo describes as "an activist" we all know what that means/


j-mac
 
Call it what you want, but the fact remains that the backing for this so called democratic movement came from wholly undemocratic sources.

What do you mean that this came from undemocratic sources? Do you have any evidence to back up this claim?

To my knowledge, this was an entirely spontaneous event started prior to Jan 25th by Asmaa Mahfouz. Here is her youtube video she recorded to ignite the Jan 25th protest that started all of this.



The youth of Egypt did all of this. It surprised everyone, including all opposition groups who had tried in the past to foment demonstrations. The opposition groups played catchup the whole time. I assume that they collectively presented a negotiating council in the later stages, but the demonstrations themselves pulled in people unaffiliated with any political party, from all walks of life and all economic classes.

Here is a Google Exec, Wael Ghonim, who helped spread the internet organization for Egypt's youth.

Google Executive Hailed as a Hero Online
 
Please J-mac, enlighten us to this conspiracy. Please show how a completely unorganized mass of riots and protested was somehow caused by American political organizations with no ties to Egypt. I am especially interested how Marxist atheists and religious extremists became allies. Most of all, I want to see your obviously unquestionable sources proving what is really going on.:roll:
 
What really caught me off-guard this week was the reaction of Glenn Beck and his legions of mindless followers.
 
Please J-mac, enlighten us to this conspiracy. Please show how a completely unorganized mass of riots and protested was somehow caused by American political organizations with no ties to Egypt. I am especially interested how Marxist atheists and religious extremists became allies. Most of all, I want to see your obviously unquestionable sources proving what is really going on.:roll:

Glenn Beck?
 
There's no credible evidence that the Muslim Brotherhood has penetrated the army to any great extent. The near-term will not witness Egypt's becoming a part of an "Islamic caliphate" as some pundits have suggested.

Two words: Sadat. Assissination.
 
What rules could they break? They don't have enough popular support to enact a coup, they don't have anyone in a position of power due to being suppressed for the last 30 years, and Egypt's army is powerful enough that they couldn't get any outside help for a coup if they tried.

Exactly what do you think they could do?

Neither did the Nazis, or the Communists. How'd that turn out?
 
Neither did the Nazis, or the Communists. How'd that turn out?

They couldn't get past the military, so the only option for the MB would be to make a deal with the military, which is not likely going to happen, for several reasons mentioned above.

Not even this time, islamists riding on dinosaurs will roam the streets and eat your babies.
 
The Muslim Brotherhood can always change its position. However, as Egypt is nowhere similar to Iran, it is highly unlikely that the Muslim Brotherhood would be able to win the Presidency, much less gain a Parliamentary majority. In Iran, the base of secular nationalism was extremely shallow and superficial. In Egypt, it is broad and deep.

I am not sure what you are saying is correct. Maybe you want to use Lebabon as a better example.
 
Forgive my naive question, but where is the connection between Thilo Sarrazin and Glenn Beck's narrative about Egypt?

You point out an American extremist. And I return the favor by pointing out a Deutscher extremist.
 
What do you mean that this came from undemocratic sources? Do you have any evidence to back up this claim?

To my knowledge, this was an entirely spontaneous event started prior to Jan 25th by Asmaa Mahfouz. Here is her youtube video she recorded to ignite the Jan 25th protest that started all of this.



The youth of Egypt did all of this. It surprised everyone, including all opposition groups who had tried in the past to foment demonstrations. The opposition groups played catchup the whole time. I assume that they collectively presented a negotiating council in the later stages, but the demonstrations themselves pulled in people unaffiliated with any political party, from all walks of life and all economic classes.

Here is a Google Exec, Wael Ghonim, who helped spread the internet organization for Egypt's youth.

Google Executive Hailed as a Hero Online


It's not a secret dude....Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas Closely Collaborating in Egypt UPDATE: CAIR, CODE PINK Also in Egypt - Atlas Shrugs


j-mac
 
Ah Atlas Shrugs, a totally non biased website to get information from, totally factual, and totally accurate.

Hey the chick from it, Pamela Geller, didn't she oppose the Park51 community centre?

Seriously dogg, if you're gonna bring this crap to the table, at least have the decency to stop pretending it's fact.

Oh I see, so you on the left can use what ever blog you want to back yourselves up, but we can not use a well known exposer of the liberal left, because in your eyes there is a credibility problem? Nice fallacy you set up there, oh, and nice Brimley shot.


j-mac
 
Oh I see, so you on the left can use what ever blog you want to back yourselves up, but we can not use a well known exposer of the liberal left, because in your eyes there is a credibility problem? Nice fallacy you set up there, oh, and nice Brimley shot.


j-mac

Um j-mac, I do not speak for the left, I am not a liberal nor a conservative. I do not use blogs to back up my opinions. Strawman.

Come on J-Mac, Code Pink in Egypt... Atlas Shrugs is not a factual, or accurate site, but the product of an anti-Islam shrill of a woman, the headline does not surprise me one bit.

Now, when you're ready to use a credible news site with credible information, i'm ready to listen.
 
Um j-mac, I do not speak for the left, I am not a liberal nor a conservative. I do not use blogs to back up my opinions. Strawman.

Come on J-Mac, Code Pink in Egypt... Atlas Shrugs is not a factual, or accurate site, but the product of an anti-Islam shrill of a woman, the headline does not surprise me one bit.

Now, when you're ready to use a credible news site with credible information, i'm ready to listen.

Well, I didn't say you specifically, however, the only reason you don't like AS is because the woman clearly points out the struggle we are in? Really?

New media brother, don't you love it?



j-mac


Oh, BTW it's still a fallacy you present attacking the source instead of the information. If you can dispute it.
 
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Oh, BTW it's still a fallacy you present attacking the source instead of the information. If you can dispute it.

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Lets jump in shall we!

All quoted material comes from your article.

Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas Closely Collaborating in Egypt UPDATE: CAIR, CODE PINK Also in Egypt - Atlas Shrugs

Hamas is the Muslim Brotherhood in Gaza.

Not quite, Hamas is a violent organization, the Muslim Brotherhood is not. While Hamas grew out of a section of the Muslim Brotherhood a generation ago, the two stand apart.

And they are working with the MB in Egypt
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Can she actually prove this? Because she simply stated it, with nothing to back it up.

Worse is media outlets running commentary from the Muslim Brotherhood organizations in America, like CAIR earlier today on FOX news.

The bolded underlined, is a link on the webpage, that links to another page, on her webpage, which proved nothing... this entire part, is just her commentary, not fact.

The MB's stated goal in the West, according to an internal captured document entered into evidence in the largest Hamas funding trial in US history, "is eliminating and destroying Western civilization from within."

Ah... searched that one up, unless you're willing to state that jihad watch is a legitimate website, then this is another thing she wrote, that has no basis in reality. I wonder if she'd care to show me this "Internal captured document". No? Can anyone show me this "Internal Captured Document". Googled around to find it, I couldn't... anywhere...

The following is a report from a STRATFOR source in Hamas. Hamas, which formed in Gaza as an outgrowth of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood (MB), has an interest in exaggerating its role and coordination with the MB in this crisis. The following information has not been confirmed. Nonetheless, there is a great deal of concern building in Israel and the United States in particular over the role of the MB in the demonstrations and whether a political opening will be made for the Islamist organization in Egypt.

The Egyptian police are no longer patrolling the Rafah border crossing into Gaza. Hamas armed men are entering into Egypt and are closely collaborating with the MB. The MB has fully engaged itself in the demonstrations, and they are unsatisfied with the dismissal of the Cabinet. They are insisting on a new Cabinet that does not include members of the ruling National Democratic Party.

Security forces in plainclothes are engaged in destroying public property in order to give the impression that many protesters represent a public menace. The MB is meanwhile forming people’s committees to protect public property and also to coordinate demonstrators’ activities, including supplying them with food, beverages and first aid.

So none of this information is confirmed? None of it.

Then why is she saying it? That's like me saying "This hasn't been confirmed, but nonetheless Obamas a pedophile".

Further, expect the America-hating, Israel-hating left to take to the streets in the USA, demanding the US assist the Brotherhood in ousting Mubarak. Check this out from the warlike "anti-war" groups here.

Ah yes, that sounds like a balanced look at the situation....

Check out Reuters. The Muslim supremacists know the left will do anything and align with anyone against America. Here is a member of the banned Muslim Brotherhood, on Saturday. "Islamic rule in Egypt would pose no threat to the West because it would be more democratic and broad-based than President Hosni Mubarak's 'dictatorship.'" The taqiya is spinning faster than Iraq's infected centrifuges:

I can end the whole thing right here, this chick is off her rocker man.

I just phoned Tighe Barry, a great US activist with Code Pink, who has been in Cairo, Egypt, all week. Here is the audio.

With the release of the Wiki docments that showed the Obama adminstration secretly backed leading figures behind the Egyptian uprising who have been planning “regime change."

CODE PINK has been a frequent White House visitor
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This whole section once again had links that went to her own site, and then to other non factual sites.

This whole article and everything in it is nothing but an opinionated, unconfirmed mess.
 
So the Muslim Brotherhood are in cahoots with Code Pink? Who knew that misogynistic muslim fundamentalists and liberal american women would be so alike. I guess that they have completely opposed ideologies doesn't matter; if J-mac doesn't like them, they must all somehow working together in a grand conspiracy.
 
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Lets jump in shall we!

All quoted material comes from your article.

Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas Closely Collaborating in Egypt UPDATE: CAIR, CODE PINK Also in Egypt - Atlas Shrugs



Not quite, Hamas is a violent organization, the Muslim Brotherhood is not. While Hamas grew out of a section of the Muslim Brotherhood a generation ago, the two stand apart.

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Can she actually prove this? Because she simply stated it, with nothing to back it up.

Worse is media outlets running commentary from the Muslim Brotherhood organizations in America, like CAIR earlier today on FOX news.

The bolded underlined, is a link on the webpage, that links to another page, on her webpage, which proved nothing... this entire part, is just her commentary, not fact.



Ah... searched that one up, unless you're willing to state that jihad watch is a legitimate website, then this is another thing she wrote, that has no basis in reality. I wonder if she'd care to show me this "Internal captured document". No? Can anyone show me this "Internal Captured Document". Googled around to find it, I couldn't... anywhere...



So none of this information is confirmed? None of it.

Then why is she saying it? That's like me saying "This hasn't been confirmed, but nonetheless Obamas a pedophile".



Ah yes, that sounds like a balanced look at the situation....



I can end the whole thing right here, this chick is off her rocker man.

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This whole section once again had links that went to her own site, and then to other non factual sites.

This whole article and everything in it is nothing but an opinionated, unconfirmed mess.


Very good, Now am I free to apply the same type of logic to the next hit piece you present offering unnamed sources within a repub administration in order to smear him then, or will it be all forgotten, and when I bring this up you'll say show me, and I'll have to search all day to find it, by then you'll move on. I get it.....


Look, it is what it is, these are unconventional sources to be sure, but in this time when the media is so damned dishonest to the people, we must turn to unconventional sourcing.


j-mac
 
So the Muslim Brotherhood are in cahoots with Code Pink? Who knew that misogynistic muslim fundamentalists and liberal american women would be so alike. I guess that they have completely opposed ideologies doesn't matter; if J-mac doesn't like them, they must all somehow working together in a grand conspiracy.

Not at all, I've been known to change my mind on issues, but not however when tactics like what you display here are employed....Take a long walk pal til your hat floats.


j-mac
 
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