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    Re: Muslim Brotherhood Will Not Put Up a Presidential Candidate

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I agree on that point. As I noted in the resignation thread, I believe that President Mubarak's legacy will be mixed. He was a political leader who was deeply committed to stability.
    He could have been much worse. He wasn't the recently mentioned wonderful-but-unelected Lee Kuan Yew (Singapore).
    But he wasn't Saddam or even close. Not close even to his contemporary Hafez Assad of Syria either.
    If he was he could have put down/savaged this revolt as did the Iranian SOBs or with an action such as Assad's in Hama. (1982)

    He Toward that end, he preserved the Egypt-Israel peace agreement his predecessor negotiated and signed. He patiently rebuilt relationships that numerous Arab states had severed following Egypt's signing the peace treaty. He played an energetic and continuing role in trying to facilitate regional peace, all in pursuit of a more stable region. During his tenure, Egypt largely escaped the tide of religious fundamentalism that swept some parts of the Middle East and North Africa. All of those are positive achievements for which the former President deserves credit. His downfall was his inability to address the gap between the economic and social needs of Egypt's population and what his government delivered that widened rapidly. All in all, he was a generally reliable ally.
    Thats it. He was basically moderate and constructive.
    Think how many lives could have been lost in a tumultuous Egypt many governments of different radical views.

    Egypt also won the Cold War for the USA in the Middle East. Switching from the USA to USSR camp and making peace with Israel. Tho that under his similar, and similarly USA supported predecessor, Sadat.

    How many lives have been saved by a moderate 30 year Egypt- vs -those lost by someone who was a pretty minor league as tyrants go.
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    Re: Muslim Brotherhood Will Not Put Up a Presidential Candidate

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    He could have been much worse. He wasn't the recently mentioned wonderful Lee Kuan Yew (Singapore).
    But he wasn't Saddam or even close. Not close even to his contemporary Hafez Assad of Syria either.
    If he was he could have put down/savaged this revolt as did the Iranian SOBs or with an action such as Assad's in Hama. (1982)

    Thats it. He was basically moderate and constructive.
    Think how many lives could have been lost in a tumultuous Egypt many governments of different radical views.

    Egypt also won the Cold War for the USA in the Middle East. Switching from the USA to USSR camp and making peace with Israel. Tho that under his similar, and similarly USA supported predecessor, Sadat.

    How many lives have been saved by a moderate 30 year Egypt- vs -those lost by someone who was a pretty minor league as tyrants go.

    There is little doubt that Mubarak acted as an ally of the US for the past 30 years, however, the communist, Islamist backed soft revolt has put an end to that. We are at the begining of a new era, and I feel not a good one for the west in the long run.


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    Re: Muslim Brotherhood Will Not Put Up a Presidential Candidate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    There is little doubt that Mubarak acted as an ally of the US for the past 30 years, however, the communist, Islamist backed soft revolt has put an end to that. We are at the begining of a new era, and I feel not a good one for the west in the long run.
    I'm more worried about the short, than long run.
    Democracy plays in the West's favor in general. I know.. very general.

    The revolt was backed also by young facebookers and intellectuals.
    If they use the iphones.. we win.
    Tho the backbone of any revolt, including this one.. is hoards of impoverished.
    More than half of Cairenes are utterly poor ghetto dwellers who would have turned out for any revolt and who won't be helped by democracy. They need Birth Control/One-child policy.

    I heard one of the revolt leaders thanking facebook and... no less, it's head. Zuckerberg!
    As well as Western Media like CNN which to some degree protected them with the cameras.

    Though the biggest party/faction by far now will be 'The hood' with about 1/3 of the electorate.
    I see a string they won't field a Prez candidate, but they will be easily the biggest faction in parliament- probably doubling the previous election's 1/6th.
    A very Large voting bloc in a country of other unorganized 10% parties.
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    Re: Muslim Brotherhood Will Not Put Up a Presidential Candidate

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    I'm more worried about the short, than long run.
    Democracy plays in the West's favor in general. I know.. very general.

    In many cases in the past to say "democracy" associated with a formerly non democratic state would be a good thing, however today that term has been largely hijacked by the far left in the latest round of their subversion of language.

    The revolt was backed also by young facebookers and intellectuals.
    If they use the iphones.. we win.
    Tho the backbone of any revolt, including this one.. is hoards of impoverished.
    More than half of Cairenes are utterly poor ghetto dwellers who would have turned out for any revolt and who won't be helped by democracy. They need Birth Control/One-child policy.
    I don't think restricting the freedoms of anyone is to the benefit of Egyptians that revolted, or anyone who attempts to do such today.

    I heard one of the revolt leaders thanking facebook and... no less, it's head. Zuckerberg!
    As well as Western Media like CNN which to some degree protected them with the cameras.
    You left out those on the American far left that turned out to aid the MB, and foment, and further this situation. They include Code Pink, the CPUSA, and Soros backed groups. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if STORM was there also.

    Though the biggest party/faction by far now will be 'The hood' with about 1/3 of the electorate.
    I see a string they won't field a Prez candidate, but they will be easily the biggest faction in parliament- probably doubling the previous election's 1/6th.
    A very Large voting bloc in a country of other unorganized 10% parties.

    Don't forget the lessons of Iran. We all thought that a democracy was breaking out there as well, until the Ayatollah's took over.

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    Re: Muslim Brotherhood Will Not Put Up a Presidential Candidate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    In many cases in the past to say "democracy" associated with a formerly non democratic state would be a good thing, however today that term has been largely hijacked by the far left in the latest round of their subversion of language.
    Certainly Egypt hasn't had en election yet.
    But if there's 'hijacking' it'll probably be by the Army- which isn't 'left'. It may even be USA influenced.
    After all, Mubarak didn't "step down", he was pushed by the army after not stepping.


    You left out those on the American far left that turned out to aid the MB, and foment, and further this situation. They include Code Pink, the CPUSA, and Soros backed groups. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if STORM was there also.
    I'm not a fan of those groups.
    But this is guilt by association.
    Most Americans supported the revolt. I think I saw 85%. That's bigger than 'pink'.
    Altho Many, including me and others here, see possible problems.



    Don't forget the lessons of Iran. We all thought that a democracy was breaking out there as well, until the Ayatollah's took over.
    I don't think we'll see an Iran.
    There's no Khomeini-in-exile here.
    ElBaradei is an anti-american Jerk, but probably too old for the revolt crowd.
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    Re: Muslim Brotherhood Will Not Put Up a Presidential Candidate

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Certainly Egypt hasn't had en election yet.
    But if there's 'hijacking' it'll probably be by the Army- which isn't 'left'. It may even be USA influenced.
    After all, Mubarak didn't "step down", he was pushed by the army after not stepping.
    Oh yeah, I agree. But it's too early to be thinking that the Egyptian Military would remain friendly to the west. I know they said today that they would honor all treaties, including the Israel treaty, however, things can change on a dime.

    I'm not a fan of those groups.
    But this is guilt by association.
    I think most Americans supported the revolt. I think I saw 85%. That's bigger than 'pink'.
    Altho Many, including me, see possible problems.

    Call it what you want, but the fact remains that the backing for this so called democratic movement came from wholly undemocratic sources. Regardless of what MSM is reporting, they leave out much, and can not be trusted here anymore. The anti capitalist, anti west, and anti liberty crowd has infected this revolt by largely unsuspecting people that want freedom, and Obama that aspect of it IMHO.

    I don't think we'll see an Iran.
    There's no Khomeini-in-exile here.
    ElBaradei is an anti-american Jerk, but probably too old for the revolt crowd.

    You don't think? But we don't know. Is an exiled Islamist the only way that this could happen? If that is the case then you could say that the MB has been exiled in their own country for 30 years, have they not?

    Earlier, a poster couldn't understand that the MB's rise isn't held back by popular consent, at the moment it is held back by Egyptian law. This could change.

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    Re: Muslim Brotherhood Will Not Put Up a Presidential Candidate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh yeah, I agree. But it's too early to be thinking that the Egyptian Military would remain friendly to the west. I know they said today that they would honor all treaties, including the Israel treaty, however, things can change on a dime.
    We have all the best toys.. and money.



    Call it what you want, but the fact remains that the backing for this so called democratic movement came from wholly undemocratic sources. Regardless of what MSM is reporting, they leave out much, and can not be trusted here anymore. The anti capitalist, anti west, and anti liberty crowd has infected this revolt by largely unsuspecting people that want freedom, and Obama that aspect of it IMHO.
    'Moveon' was not a factor in this.



    You don't think? But we don't know. Is an exiled Islamist the only way that this could happen? If that is the case then you could say that the MB has been exiled in their own country for 30 years, have they not?

    Earlier, a poster couldn't understand that the MB's rise isn't held back by popular consent, at the moment it is held back by Egyptian law. This could change.
    Everyone, especially those of us who are strong Israel supporters, are worried.
    It's difficult to see a more passive and pro-USA leader than Mubarak.

    The revolt could indeed ultimately produce some turd like ElBaradei.
    But the most recent Hero of it was the just let loose Google Exec Wael Ghonim who inspired the last and deciding phase of the revolt!
    goole executive hero - Google Search
    Just imagine that as Prez.
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    Re: Muslim Brotherhood Will Not Put Up a Presidential Candidate

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    We have all the best toys.. and money.
    For now. We are broke, remember?

    'Moveon' was not a factor in this.
    I know, they blamed it on the Jews. However, Move on is not the only Soros organization is it? No.

    The revolt could indeed ultimately produce some turd like ElBaradei.
    But the most recent Hero of it was the just let loose Google Exec Wael Ghonim who inspired the last and deciding phase of the revolt!
    goole executive hero - Google Search
    Just imagine that as Prez.
    Great a leftist that HuffPo describes as "an activist" we all know what that means/


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    Re: Muslim Brotherhood Will Not Put Up a Presidential Candidate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Call it what you want, but the fact remains that the backing for this so called democratic movement came from wholly undemocratic sources.
    What do you mean that this came from undemocratic sources? Do you have any evidence to back up this claim?

    To my knowledge, this was an entirely spontaneous event started prior to Jan 25th by Asmaa Mahfouz. Here is her youtube video she recorded to ignite the Jan 25th protest that started all of this.



    The youth of Egypt did all of this. It surprised everyone, including all opposition groups who had tried in the past to foment demonstrations. The opposition groups played catchup the whole time. I assume that they collectively presented a negotiating council in the later stages, but the demonstrations themselves pulled in people unaffiliated with any political party, from all walks of life and all economic classes.

    Here is a Google Exec, Wael Ghonim, who helped spread the internet organization for Egypt's youth.

    Google Executive Hailed as a Hero Online

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    Re: Muslim Brotherhood Will Not Put Up a Presidential Candidate

    Please J-mac, enlighten us to this conspiracy. Please show how a completely unorganized mass of riots and protested was somehow caused by American political organizations with no ties to Egypt. I am especially interested how Marxist atheists and religious extremists became allies. Most of all, I want to see your obviously unquestionable sources proving what is really going on.

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