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    Re: Ron Paul Wins Presidential Straw Poll at CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    Paul has a small, energized, and surprisingly young fan base(including myself). He won't win the Republican nomination. Fox News wouldn't allow it anyway.
    Fox News wouldn't allow it? I always found it odd that Paul fans thought certain agencies or small groups were preventing this man from becoming President or the Republican nominee. Liberals liked him for his foreign policy rhetoric, and absolutely despised (but politely ignored) his domestic policy rhetoric. Independent/Moderate voters wanted someone in a compromise position. Conservatives (sure, go ahead and question their credentials on being "conservative", but don't be idiotic and suggest that somehow "real" conservatives make up the majority of the conservative lexicon in America at present) adored his fiscal policies but censured his foreign policy aims. The first in brief measure said they may vote for him, but that would not be a reality because any Democratic candidate would seemingly be preferable to Paul, because *shock* being an anti-war candidate was all the buzz for Democrats, and one may as well keep Democratic party welfare state policies. The second either could not live with domestic policies such as his, or could not invision foreign policy positions so clear cut and different as his. The last loved his domestic policies, but were completely horrified by his ideology surrounding the War on Terror. Lastly, who on earth really believes young people truly carry the day on getting a politician elected? They can show up in large numbers, but their large numbers are as fickle as the latest fashion and number as many as fans of an indie rock band (well, the "cool" and "enlightened" ones are counted in this, anyhow). They are there for you before you need them and then suddenly do not show up, nor are most of them even politically interested. Democrats had to learn that lesson the hard way in the late 1960s and 1970s. It would be a shame for Republicans to rely upon such a crowd.

    I am sorry, Paul fans, but his positions did not satisfy a significant portion of voters. His positions were just too hot/cold for many groups. Don't blame Fox News for American political reality.
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    Re: Ron Paul Wins Presidential Straw Poll at CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I didn't say I would vote for Obama. I would vote third party. However, nominating Paul or Palin would result in a second Obama term and there is nothing you can say that would convince me otherwise...

    Please don't forget that everyone thought Clinton's days were numbered after 1994, and then the GOP royally screwed up by nominating Dole in 1996...
    Ron Paul should switch his party affiliation back to Libertarian and run. No...he wouldnt win...yes, Obama would be re-elected, but the republican party MIGHT finally see that their base is above all else fiscally conservative and are tired of republicrats.

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    Re: Ron Paul Wins Presidential Straw Poll at CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    It will be interesting to see if the public awareness translates into public support. I'm suggesting that it won't. His positions on the issues, not a lack of public awareness, will remain the overriding obstacle that I believe he won't be able to overcome.
    What position do you think is relevant? His positions on the economy are certainly popular among Republicans. The position on foreign policy is less popular, but even that has a strong base of support in the Republican Party, stronger than his share of the vote. Drug legalization does not have majority support, but it does have a very large amount of support in the Republican Party. His positions on abortion and gay marriage put him at a strong midway between liberal Republicans and conservative Republicans. Certainly most Republicans support strong fiscal discipline, one the defining aspects of Paul's philosophy.

    So what exactly are you saying is undesirable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    When in doubt, blame the media. It's much easier and let's you play the victim card.
    I don't expect someone like you to understand or to even notice. Hell, anyone who is steadfastly opposed to Ron Paul almost certainly wouldn't. That is because you do not know when Ron Paul beat one of the anointed candidates in a poll so you cannot realize that the media are failing to even mention his support in the polls. You, for one, probably do not watch Fox News much so you would not have noticed how even when he was second in the Nevada caucuses that as they were announcing the latest results and showing pictures of the candidate they skipped right on by Paul. No doubt when a debate aired and they cut out much of Paul's comments when it re-aired it was not something you had any knowledge about. These are things I saw first hand and knew what they had done. It was not a mistake as they did it over and over. What was crazy is that the most I heard them talking about Ron Paul was the day after the moneybombs (something that they would have to report on just to retain some credibility among the masses) and on the day of the Iowa caucuses, at which point all media attention would be of little significance.

    The media may increasingly have their factional differences, but they are all still enmeshed in the establishment and state appartus. Any notion that they would tolerate someone whose ideas are so antithetical to theirs is overly optimistic.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    And what exactly has Ron Paul accomplished, anyway? Sorry, his pro-China/anti-Taiwan votes in the House mean I absolutely will NEVER consider voting for him at any time... it is in the same company as Barbara Lee in my book...
    Paul only has anti-intervention votes. He does not favor one foreign government over another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Fox News wouldn't allow it? I always found it odd that Paul fans thought certain agencies or small groups were preventing this man from becoming President or the Republican nominee. Liberals liked him for his foreign policy rhetoric, and absolutely despised (but politely ignored) his domestic policy rhetoric. Independent/Moderate voters wanted someone in a compromise position. Conservatives (sure, go ahead and question their credentials on being "conservative", but don't be idiotic and suggest that somehow "real" conservatives make up the majority of the conservative lexicon in America at present) adored his fiscal policies but censured his foreign policy aims. The first in brief measure said they may vote for him, but that would not be a reality because any Democratic candidate would seemingly be preferable to Paul, because *shock* being an anti-war candidate was all the buzz for Democrats, and one may as well keep Democratic party welfare state policies. The second either could not live with domestic policies such as his, or could not invision foreign policy positions so clear cut and different as his. The last loved his domestic policies, but were completely horrified by his ideology surrounding the War on Terror. Lastly, who on earth really believes young people truly carry the day on getting a politician elected? They can show up in large numbers, but their large numbers are as fickle as the latest fashion and number as many as fans of an indie rock band (well, the "cool" and "enlightened" ones are counted in this, anyhow). They are there for you before you need them and then suddenly do not show up, nor are most of them even politically interested. Democrats had to learn that lesson the hard way in the late 1960s and 1970s. It would be a shame for Republicans to rely upon such a crowd.

    I am sorry, Paul fans, but his positions did not satisfy a significant portion of voters. His positions were just too hot/cold for many groups. Don't blame Fox News for American political reality.
    Even it were his positions that were to blame, not really, you have to ask yourself how people arrive at these positions. Do you think people form their political views in a vacuum? They are influenced by the source of information that is most dominant. All the different political parties represent are the views of factions within the establishment and the media treats these establishment positions as though they are the mainstream positions. People naturally tends towards those positions because it is all they have been conditioned to accept.
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    Re: Ron Paul Wins Presidential Straw Poll at CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    No matter how many times the guy wins the CPAC poll, he has absolutely zero chance of winning the general election or even the reppublican nomination. I agree with Donald Trump in this.
    Umm... hang on a second... how many elections has Ron Paul won?? 10 different elections? 15?
    How about donald trump?? He's failed in business what 5 times? Never been elected to anything??

    I'm not trash talking trump here... he's a capitalist with more lives then the average cat, but in terms of politics, he's really just a newcomer.

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    Re: Ron Paul Wins Presidential Straw Poll at CPAC

    Good to see true conservatives supporting a smart candidate like Ron Paul two years in a row. Also glad to see them shy away from the Queen of Tweets. Sad to see they didn't give more support to Pawlenty or Christie.

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    Re: Ron Paul Wins Presidential Straw Poll at CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Ron Paul should switch his party affiliation back to Libertarian and run. No...he wouldnt win...yes, Obama would be re-elected, but the republican party MIGHT finally see that their base is above all else fiscally conservative and are tired of republicrats.
    I disagree... I think the rest of the republican party should change affiliation to the 'neo-con' party... I'm sure the same could be done on the democrat side with different wording... and well... I dunno, Kucinich is the only REAL democrat I could think of that would be in the same vein as Ron Paul.

    Not all that long ago there was a poll that showed that if it was Ron Paul against Obama that it would be essentially a 50-50 coin toss as to the winner.... he's got a better chance then Palin.

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    Re: Ron Paul Wins Presidential Straw Poll at CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Not all that long ago there was a poll that showed that if it was Ron Paul against Obama that it would be essentially a 50-50 coin toss as to the winner.... he's got a better chance then Palin.
    Palin has turned herself into an opportunistic joke. She's great a rallies and tossing red meat the uneducated members, but not so good at providing leadership and laying out a roadmap to fixing the nation. Paul, Romney and several others are much more qualified and proven leaders.

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    Re: Ron Paul Wins Presidential Straw Poll at CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I would vote for him if got the nomination, but it's too early for me to decide.

    I was hoping to see a true Statesman emerge in the run up to the primary elections, and so far I don't see anyone who is a stand out.

    It's clear it has to be someone who could beat Obama or who ever gets the Democrat nomination in the case Obama keeps falling in the polls because he hasn't yet learned that pretending he's our dictator against the majority of American opinions is no way to win re-election.
    At least the Republican Party knows what a Conservative looks like. They are halfway there. Now all they have to do is support a Conservative in 2012. Tall order? We'll find out.
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    Re: Ron Paul Wins Presidential Straw Poll at CPAC

    If you want another 4 years of Obama (and financial ruin) just elect Rube Paul to the Republican nomination.......... Nuff said

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    Re: Ron Paul Wins Presidential Straw Poll at CPAC

    Interesting to see Christie finally pop up on a National poll, if somewhat partisan-limited.

    I have several times posted that Romney would likely win and draft Christie as VP. (the latter perhaps a favorite in 2016)
    But there's something unexciting about Romney.

    In any case, here's the graphic on the CPAC #1/#2 choices.



    A dismal showing for Palin, Pawlenty, Huckabee.
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