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    Re: Ron Paul Wins Presidential Straw Poll at CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Here, just for you:

    FOX News Ignores Ron Paul

    It's a conspiracy I tells ya!
    Yes that's the one. Thank you. Not sure if it's a conspiracy but it sure looks suspicious. It's either that or abolute incompetence on the part of a cable news network. Either answer is not impressive.

    BTW the only candidate in the last race i contributed to was Ron Paul

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    Re: Ron Paul Wins Presidential Straw Poll at CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    There is no conspiracy in the U.S. to deny Ron Paul the opportunity to win the Presidency. He will very likely fail, because his political positions have insufficient appeal. One needs broad-based appeal to win one's Party nomination and then the general election. An energized but narrow base is not enough.
    The fact all the organs of the establishment are arrayed against him certainly plays a role in limiting his chances. Do you really think Romney and Huckabee are doing well in the polls because they resonate with the minds of the people?

    Hey look, someone trotting out the same worthless bull****.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    I am not saying Fox News is what stands between Ron Paul and the Republican presidential nomination. All I said was that regardless of Paul's chances, Fox News does not want him to win and has shown bias against him in the past. Fox News intended to exclude him from the 2008 New Hampshire Republican presidential debates despite him polling better than Thompson and being tied with Huckabee. His campaign fundraising was unparalleled at that point by and of the other Republican candidates.

    Check out this question he was asked during the 2008 primary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlacFmRGPgI

    Totally absurd thing to ask. No other candidate was asked that.
    Their agenda against Ron Paul was just so obvious and disgusting that I have been avoiding the network ever since.
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    Re: Ron Paul Wins Presidential Straw Poll at CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Hey look, someone trotting out the same worthless bull
    ron paul's filthy racism and homo-hate are worthless, alright

    it all comes down to values
    Last edited by The Prof; 02-14-11 at 02:54 PM.

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    Re: Ron Paul Wins Presidential Straw Poll at CPAC

    Let me preface this by stating I voted for the guy in the primaries in 2008. Now lets look at some reality.

    1. Ron Paul is OLD. He's going to be 77 come 2012. Look at the past 30 or 40 years, and you'll notice something. We haven't had a President elected over 70 EVER and haven't had one elected over 65 years of age since James Buchanan in 1971. His age is a strong factor against him.

    2. Outside of his supporters, which frankly the primaries last time should show its reasonable to suggest that said grouping is small relatively speaking, he's generaly regarded as somewhat of a "weird" guy without a lot of Charisma. Pundits and casual observes generally don't rate his presence or his speaking ability exceptionally high. While some of his more fervent supporters may state "that's not important" or "They just don't get his charisma!" ultimately...yes, it is. Charisma plays a huge part in elections and ignoring that is ignoring reality.

    3. He is an outsider. Not just a Washington outsider but a political establishment outsider. The news agencies generally aren't fond of him, news papers generally aren't glowingly writing about him, pundits aren't lauding him with praise. His supporters may say that doesn't matter, I'd say they're fools willingly lying to themselves to believe that. You could say it SHOULDN'T matter, but the fact is the majority of voters in this country are not the massively politically informed who spend hours on end researching nuanced political opinions but rather get most of their facts from various news sources. Which isn't going to help Paul.

    4. He's got a huge problem with explaining nuance. Or put a different way, he can't make the complicated simple. Ron Paul is incredibly intelligent politically. I am sure if you sit down with him for 30 minutes he could give you so many facts, figures, and reasons why the Department of Education should be shut down completely that it'd make your head spin and you'd probably come around. The problem is, we don't live in a world where its realistic to suggest that you're going to have 30 uninterrupted minutes to make your point on things. We live in a sound bite society and no matter how many legitimate reasons he may have, sounds bites of "We need to go to a gold standard instead of paper money" or "We need to disassemble the Department of Education" give the impression of someone who is a crazed extermist. Paul has seemingly little to know grasp on how to state his complicated points in a more easy to digest sort of way. Its that very nature that got him in trouble last election season with his 9/11 comments.

    I like Paul, but Reagan's zombified corpse has a better chance of winning the Presidency before Paul does. What's Paul's legacy has the potential for is something more Goldwater than Reagan, where his ideas and views touch a more charismatic, better communicating politiican who has a bit of pragmatism in him and can properly articulate that message to the public.

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    Re: Ron Paul Wins Presidential Straw Poll at CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    ron paul's filthy racism and homo-hate are worthless, alright

    it all comes down to values
    I find it ridiculously hillarious that you would sit here and bash, degrade, and attack the DailyKOS if it was an article about any other politician you liked...and yet you're using them as some kind of go to source in this case.

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    Re: Ron Paul Wins Presidential Straw Poll at CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    it seems more liberals like paul than do cons

    maybe it has something to do with values

    either way the congressman from texas is certainly capable of bluntness

    from his newsletter: "if you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be"

    Daily Kos: Ron Paul, In His Own Words

    the dude certainly is colorful
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    Re: Ron Paul Wins Presidential Straw Poll at CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Let me preface this by stating I voted for the guy in the primaries in 2008. Now lets look at some reality.

    1. Ron Paul is OLD. He's going to be 77 come 2012. Look at the past 30 or 40 years, and you'll notice something. We haven't had a President elected over 70 EVER and haven't had one elected over 65 years of age since James Buchanan in 1971. His age is a strong factor against him.

    2. Outside of his supporters, which frankly the primaries last time should show its reasonable to suggest that said grouping is small relatively speaking, he's generaly regarded as somewhat of a "weird" guy without a lot of Charisma. Pundits and casual observes generally don't rate his presence or his speaking ability exceptionally high. While some of his more fervent supporters may state "that's not important" or "They just don't get his charisma!" ultimately...yes, it is. Charisma plays a huge part in elections and ignoring that is ignoring reality.

    3. He is an outsider. Not just a Washington outsider but a political establishment outsider. The news agencies generally aren't fond of him, news papers generally aren't glowingly writing about him, pundits aren't lauding him with praise. His supporters may say that doesn't matter, I'd say they're fools willingly lying to themselves to believe that. You could say it SHOULDN'T matter, but the fact is the majority of voters in this country are not the massively politically informed who spend hours on end researching nuanced political opinions but rather get most of their facts from various news sources. Which isn't going to help Paul.

    4. He's got a huge problem with explaining nuance. Or put a different way, he can't make the complicated simple. Ron Paul is incredibly intelligent politically. I am sure if you sit down with him for 30 minutes he could give you so many facts, figures, and reasons why the Department of Education should be shut down completely that it'd make your head spin and you'd probably come around. The problem is, we don't live in a world where its realistic to suggest that you're going to have 30 uninterrupted minutes to make your point on things. We live in a sound bite society and no matter how many legitimate reasons he may have, sounds bites of "We need to go to a gold standard instead of paper money" or "We need to disassemble the Department of Education" give the impression of someone who is a crazed extermist. Paul has seemingly little to know grasp on how to state his complicated points in a more easy to digest sort of way. Its that very nature that got him in trouble last election season with his 9/11 comments.

    I like Paul, but Reagan's zombified corpse has a better chance of winning the Presidency before Paul does. What's Paul's legacy has the potential for is something more Goldwater than Reagan, where his ideas and views touch a more charismatic, better communicating politiican who has a bit of pragmatism in him and can properly articulate that message to the public.
    who can fill the bill, though? there is a distinct lack of viable candidates on the republican side, especially if people take trump and palin seriously.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Ron Paul Wins Presidential Straw Poll at CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Yes that's the one. Thank you. Not sure if it's a conspiracy but it sure looks suspicious. It's either that or abolute incompetence on the part of a cable news network. Either answer is not impressive.
    They decided not to cover candidates that had no chance of winning. Ron Paul and Duncan Hunter are two candidates that they stopped covering. You can make an argument that it's incompetence. I would argue that it's a good idea, so that we can actually hear more from the candidates that might actually win. For example, I don't need to hear the ideas of the candidate put forth by the "rent is too damn high" party. I think including him in the debate was actually a disservice to the voters and took away time that we could have heard from the serious candidates. I feel much the same about Ron Paul's candidacy, especially after it became clear he was not a real contendah.

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    Re: Ron Paul Wins Presidential Straw Poll at CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    who can fill the bill, though? there is a distinct lack of viable candidates on the republican side, especially if people take trump and palin seriously.
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    Re: Ron Paul Wins Presidential Straw Poll at CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    One man stands above the crowd. A yearning nation turns to: The Shadowlands Bigfoot Page
    holy cow.......that's pretty damned funny!

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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