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Pakistan remands US official in jail for 14 days

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LAHORE, Pakistan (AFP) – Pakistan on Friday sent a US official to jail on judicial remand, pending further murder investigations and a legal tussle over diplomatic immunity in a case that has inflamed ties with Washington.
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If this man is indeed a consular official, he does have diplomatic immunity and the most the Pakistani government can legally do is declare him persona non grata (which is what I am sure the end result of this case will be). Remanding him to prison for two weeks is a violation of international law.

But then again, as the U.S. violates international law when it comes to allowing consular officials to have contact with their nationals in detainment, I suppose the U.S. really does not have that much right to squak about this... Thanks Texas for that....
 
There's no longer any penalty for pooping on America. The killer will probably be released ultimately. But he is now taking a heap of physical abuse in a Pakistani jail. Does anyone remember what happened to the actor Ned Beatty in the movie Deliverance?
 
In a show of what we stand for i would like to see the U.S. revoke this guys diplomatic immunity and allow him to stand trial, if there is evidence showing him to be guilty.

We need to not upset another Nation in the region especially one with nukes that could easily fall to Radical Islamics.

I have always felt Diplomatic Immunity goes too far and in some cases such as parking tickets at the one end and Murder at the other.
 
Councilman said:
In a show of what we stand for i would like to see the U.S. revoke this guys diplomatic immunity and allow him to stand trial, if there is evidence showing him to be guilty.

We need to not upset another Nation in the region especially one with nukes that could easily fall to Radical Islamics.

I have always felt Diplomatic Immunity goes too far and in some cases such as parking tickets at the one end and Murder at the other.
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The possibility of diplomatic immunity is the only thing keeping this guy alive. If that goes he'll be torn apart limb from limb.
 
I read somewhere that if Pakistan's president didn't put the guy on trial for murder, he'd be in real trouble with the religious extremists in his country.
 
Councilman said:
In a show of what we stand for i would like to see the U.S. revoke this guys diplomatic immunity and allow him to stand trial, if there is evidence showing him to be guilty.

We need to not upset another Nation in the region especially one with nukes that could easily fall to Radical Islamics.

I have always felt Diplomatic Immunity goes too far and in some cases such as parking tickets at the one end and Murder at the other.
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Absolutely!


j-mac
 
Councilman said:
In a show of what we stand for i would like to see the U.S. revoke this guys diplomatic immunity and allow him to stand trial, if there is evidence showing him to be guilty.

We need to not upset another Nation in the region especially one with nukes that could easily fall to Radical Islamics.

I have always felt Diplomatic Immunity goes too far and in some cases such as parking tickets at the one end and Murder at the other.
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If it were a respectable country with a half-way decent judicial system, PERHAPS I could agree with that... but we are talking Pakistan, here... do you think there would be one iota of a chance of his getting a fair trial???
 
Let him stay in jail.
If he was British, I'd 100% support UK cutting him off and making him fend for himself.
He is not worth any damages to any ties to Pakistan especially considering it's .... delicate situation. Liability

Lol @ US trying to pretend it'll cut aid. Not if you don't want it to fall out of Western influence and into the hands of the Islamists
 
Wow. The guy says it was self-defense, that he was being robbed. Two guys on motorbike is a pretty common robbery team... and assassination team, slapping bombs on certain windshields. The Pakistani police say it is likely that he was being robbed. Religious extremists (aka Taliban and Al Qaeda) scream, "He's an American, execute him!" ... and suddenly the Pakistan PM is making charge-don't charge decisions?

Don't they have people, like, I don't know, prosecuting lawyers who are supposed to make that determination after a full police investigation? Can you imagine Obama, if the situation was reversed, saying in effect, "The police don't need to investigate, prosecutors don't need to make a determination. I, after consultation with various religious leaders, have decided the man will be tried for this cold-blooded murder."

Huh? Then people in this thread go, "No, biggie, let him take one for the team."

The mind boggles.
 
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He shot two Pakistanis in what he claims was self defence at close range
A third civilian was run over by the US Consulate who hurried to rescue him.
He was found with maps of key sites in his possession and a number of weapons (Dude is so a spy ... kinda **** tho)
Pakistani public who are already Anti American are getting hella pissed in an atmosphere described as dangerous.
To make matters even worse the poor widow of the man he killed has committed suicide which has further inflamed the public as she stated on her death bed that there will be no justice. Many comparing her to the Tunisian vendor who killed himself and then sparked two revolution. Pakistan's 1973 constitution does not grant diplomatic immunity in the case of criminal offences

It's simple what must happen to shut this case and keep ties with Pakistan healthy.
Pakistan should just hang him or shoot him at close range and be done with it and if US does make Pakistan hand it back.
Then all is fair in love and war. The Pakistani diplomat in US should just go out and shoot and kill three American civilians to quieten the Pakistani public and give the widow 'blood for blood'.

US will not do anything to Pakistan except maybe cut off aid. Pakistan can simply go look at Iran, I'm sure it can find a buyer for it's Nuclear weapons if worse comes to worst :doh
 
Laila said:
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He shot two Pakistanis in what he claims was self defence at close range
A third civilian was run over by the US Consulate who hurried to rescue him.
He was found with maps of key sites in his possession and a number of weapons (Dude is so a spy ... kinda **** tho)
Pakistani public who are already Anti American are getting hella pissed in an atmosphere described as dangerous.
To make matters even worse the poor widow of the man he killed has committed suicide which has further inflamed the public as she stated on her death bed that there will be no justice. Many comparing her to the Tunisian vendor who killed himself and then sparked two revolution. Pakistan's 1973 constitution does not grant diplomatic immunity in the case of criminal offences

It's simple what must happen to shut this case and keep ties with Pakistan healthy.
Pakistan should just hang him or shoot him at close range and be done with it and if US does make Pakistan hand it back.
Then all is fair in love and war. The Pakistani diplomat in US should just go out and shoot and kill three American civilians to quieten the Pakistani public and give the widow 'blood for blood'.

US will not do anything to Pakistan except maybe cut off aid. Pakistan can simply go look at Iran, I'm sure it can find a buyer for it's Nuclear weapons if worse comes to worst :doh
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My, my, aren't you all sunshine and love. Well, there you go. Why even bother with a trial? You've pronounced him guilty and decided he should be executed without benefit of that pesky trial. Even better, you've decided that a Pakistani with diplomatic immunity should hunt down three Americans and slaughter them to give the dead widow "blood for blood." But wait!! Surely diplomatic immunity should not be given to a Pakistani who engages in "cold-blooded murder" for a dead widow???

Well, yes, yes it should because both Pakistan and the USA are signatories of the convention which prevents anyone with diplomatic immunity from being prosecuted for ANY crime unless said immunity is waived.

Don't think I'll be paying much attention to your posts in the future.
 
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I don't want Pakistan falling even further to the right or God forbid the Islamists getting the upper hand over the hated Pro Western Government and if US does force Pakistan to acknowledge diplomatic ties, to quieten the tension. Pakistan must pull some magical rabbit out of it's hat

One American's life is insignificant to what may happen if Pakistan's Government is pushed with already distrust and hatred high. Taliban operating, Afghan border and Nuclear weapons.
If it makes you feel any better, I'd say the same thing if it was a British "spy" in that position.

He ****ed up. He got caught. Sacrifice him
 
Laila said:
One American's life is insignificant ...
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And there we have it, the bottom line.

Definitely not paying attention to your posts anymore.
 
DiAnna said:
And there we have it, the bottom line.

Definitely not paying attention to your posts anymore.
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Followed by ..

If it makes you feel any better, I'd say the same thing if it was a British "spy" in that position.

Fool :roll:
Please don't respond to this post, it's going nowhere.
 
Laila said:
:shrug:

He shot two Pakistanis in what he claims was self defence at close range
A third civilian was run over by the US Consulate who hurried to rescue him.
He was found with maps of key sites in his possession and a number of weapons (Dude is so a spy ... kinda **** tho)
Pakistani public who are already Anti American are getting hella pissed in an atmosphere described as dangerous.
To make matters even worse the poor widow of the man he killed has committed suicide which has further inflamed the public as she stated on her death bed that there will be no justice. Many comparing her to the Tunisian vendor who killed himself and then sparked two revolution. Pakistan's 1973 constitution does not grant diplomatic immunity in the case of criminal offences

It's simple what must happen to shut this case and keep ties with Pakistan healthy.
Pakistan should just hang him or shoot him at close range and be done with it and if US does make Pakistan hand it back.
Then all is fair in love and war. The Pakistani diplomat in US should just go out and shoot and kill three American civilians to quieten the Pakistani public and give the widow 'blood for blood'.

US will not do anything to Pakistan except maybe cut off aid. Pakistan can simply go look at Iran, I'm sure it can find a buyer for it's Nuclear weapons if worse comes to worst :doh
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Pakistan has two supporters who are of a longer lastings and permanent nature then the US. It is rumored that Saudi Arabia has at least two nukes for its use provided by Pakistan. China has been for the last 40 years a more reliable ally of Paskistan then the US (India China issues)


As for this individual, to set him free willl cost a few hundred mil
 
Laila said:
It's simple what must happen to shut this case and keep ties with Pakistan healthy.
Pakistan should just hang him or shoot him at close range and be done with it and if US does make Pakistan hand it back.
Then all is fair in love and war. The Pakistani diplomat in US should just go out and shoot and kill three American civilians to quieten the Pakistani public and give the widow 'blood for blood'.
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This is plain ugly. Somewhere along the line, the Laila I used to know has vanished.
 
Laila said:
:shrug:

He shot two Pakistanis in what he claims was self defence at close range
A third civilian was run over by the US Consulate who hurried to rescue him.
He was found with maps of key sites in his possession and a number of weapons (Dude is so a spy ... kinda **** tho)
Pakistani public who are already Anti American are getting hella pissed in an atmosphere described as dangerous.
To make matters even worse the poor widow of the man he killed has committed suicide which has further inflamed the public as she stated on her death bed that there will be no justice. Many comparing her to the Tunisian vendor who killed himself and then sparked two revolution. Pakistan's 1973 constitution does not grant diplomatic immunity in the case of criminal offences

It's simple what must happen to shut this case and keep ties with Pakistan healthy.
Pakistan should just hang him or shoot him at close range and be done with it and if US does make Pakistan hand it back.
Then all is fair in love and war. The Pakistani diplomat in US should just go out and shoot and kill three American civilians to quieten the Pakistani public and give the widow 'blood for blood'.

US will not do anything to Pakistan except maybe cut off aid. Pakistan can simply go look at Iran, I'm sure it can find a buyer for it's Nuclear weapons if worse comes to worst :doh
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If Pakistan is a signatory to the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, then what is it's Constitution is quite irrelevant. It is bound to follow and abide by its provisions.

Also, I have no faith and trust in the Pakistani justice system to grant him a fair trial. Pakistan is a partner of convenience, nothing more. They have far longer-standing friendships with China for me to think that they actually consider the U.S. to be anything akin to a friend...

I beleive in individual rights. We should NOT sacrifice a man who was likely operating under orders and acting in self-defense for what you perceive to be the greater good. We are not Vulcans, after all...
 
Tashah said:
This is plain ugly. Somewhere along the line, the Laila I used to know has vanished.
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Oh, but she thinks that if she says the same about a British spy, then it's okay. :roll:
 
What I find more troubling than this moron, is that the US media self-censored the fact that he was a CIA agent on the request of the Obama administration. It was only after a British newspaper blew the whistle so to say, that the US media admitted he was a CIA agent.

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The New York Times, Washington Post, and Associated Press reported Monday that Raymond Davis—an American who shot two men in Pakistan last month—was working for the CIA at the time. And while reporting that news, all three outlets revealed something else: They had been holding back that information at the U.S. government's request.

But the government dropped its request after a British paper broke the news a day earlier
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As for the idiot himself.. let him fry.
 
ludahai said:
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If this man is indeed a consular official, he does have diplomatic immunity and the most the Pakistani government can legally do is declare him persona non grata (which is what I am sure the end result of this case will be). Remanding him to prison for two weeks is a violation of international law.

But then again, as the U.S. violates international law when it comes to allowing consular officials to have contact with their nationals in detainment, I suppose the U.S. really does not have that much right to squak about this... Thanks Texas for that....
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Texas exists to show the rest of the 21st century world what not to do.

XD
 
PeteEU said:
What I find more troubling than this moron, is that the US media self-censored the fact that he was a CIA agent on the request of the Obama administration. It was only after a British newspaper blew the whistle so to say, that the US media admitted he was a CIA agent.

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As for the idiot himself.. let him fry.
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So tell me Pete what makes this guy a moron or an idiot. The fact that he killed two people who could very well have been trying to rob or kill him. Or is it just because he is an American. Not knowing the guy but simply looking at his job history as posted by the media pretty much indicates that he is anything but stupid. Your extreme anti American views really blind you and make you look really foolish with pretty much every post.
 
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