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Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

Ockham said:
People are dying violently in every country every day.
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So what did we change? The only thing I can see is Western oil is now back in Iraq for the first time in 36 years.
 
Ockham said:
Post #298.
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Yes, I saw it already. I am pretty sure the tens of thousands of Iraqi citizens killed in our invasion and occupation, and the millions forced from their homes did not benefit and its yet to be seen how the remaining Iraqis may, or may not benefit. We won't know until there is no longer a military occupation there propping it up.
 
Catawba said:
Yes, I saw it already. I am pretty sure the tens of thousands of Iraqi citizens killed in our invasion and occupation, and the millions forced from their homes did not benefit and its yet to be seen how the remaining Iraqis may, or may not benefit. We won't know until there is no longer a military occupation there propping it up.
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Haven't you heard? There is no military occupation. There's just "trainers" left, no combat troops in Iraq.
 
Jetboogieman said:
You mean the same consititution that allowed Mubarak to stay in power for 30 years :coffeepap
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Yes, and the same constitution that banned religious political bodies. Now, it will be possible for religious organizations to form political parties.
 
Ockham said:
Haven't you heard? There is no military occupation. There's just "trainers" left, no combat troops in Iraq.
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I doubt the 35,000 combat ready troops that still remain in Iraq would appreciate that slight.
 
Catawba said:
So what did we change? The only thing I can see is Western oil is now back in Iraq for the first time in 36 years.
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There's democracy in Iraq! Do you support democracy?
 
apdst said:
There's democracy in Iraq! Do you support democracy?
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I wonder how long Iraq's "democracy" will last without US military and financial support.
 
USA_1 said:
I wonder how long Iraq's "democracy" will last without US military and financial support.
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Longer than Egypt's, "democracy", I'm sure.
 
apdst said:
Longer than Egypt's, "democracy", I'm sure.
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you may be correct, but i would not bet on it
my speculation is that iraq will become an iranian satellite as soon as we pull out
 
justabubba said:
you may be correct, but i would not bet on it
my speculation is that iraq will become an iranian satellite as soon as we pull out
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All the more reason not to get in any hurry to leave. Kinda the same logic for keeping an American military presence in Europe all those years.
 
apdst said:
Longer than Egypt's, "democracy", I'm sure.
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Egypt has a very good shot at a successful transformation to democracy. Not so much for Iraq.
 
apdst said:
All the more reason not to get in any hurry to leave. Kinda the same logic for keeping an American military presence in Europe all those years.
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Another totally ridiculous WWII comparison.
 
apdst said:
Historical facts don't lie, my friend.
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What historical facts?
You honestly believe there are any comparable similarities between WWII and the invasion of Iraq by the US?
 
USA_1 said:
What historical facts?
You honestly believe there are any comparable similarities between WWII and the invasion of Iraq by the US?
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Yes. I do. Got anything to prove me wrong? Aside from, "fearmonger", that is?
 
apdst said:
Yes. I do. Got anything to prove me wrong? Aside from, "fearmonger", that is?
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Fearmonger? Thats funny.

You might want to read a history book before you start comparing the war in Iraq to WWII. There are no similarities.
 
apdst said:
There's democracy in Iraq! Do you support democracy?
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What we have is a new corrupt regime propped up by our military. All you can claim at this point is we have a successful military occupation of one of the weakest countries in the world.
 
Catawba said:
What we have is a new corrupt regime propped up by our military. All you can claim at this point is we have a successful military occupation of one of the weakest countries in the world.
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Care to point out their corruption?

Whatcha' wanna bet that there's no more corruption within the Iraqi government, than in the U.S. government?
 
USA_1 said:
Fearmonger? Thats funny.

You might want to read a history book before you start comparing the war in Iraq to WWII. There are no similarities.
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You can back that up. Right?
 
apdst said:
Yes. I do. Got anything to prove me wrong?
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Yes, the lack of any kind of threat from Iraq. Germany was attacking its neighbors. Iraq hasn't had the capacity to do that since before the Gulf war.
 
Catawba said:
Yes, the lack of any kind of threat from Iraq. Germany was attacking its neighbors. Iraq hasn't had the capacity to do that since before the Gulf war.
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So what? It was still moral to invade, overthrow the government, stop the humanitarian disaster, and build a democracy.
 
apdst said:
Care to point out their corruption?
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Seriously, this is the first time you've heard about the corruption in Iraq?

"Amnesty International alleges 30,000 detainees in Iraq

After the US military turned over an estimated 10,000 detainees, many of them held without any due process, the numbers now in Iraqi prisons number 30,000, according to a new Amnesty International report. "Several detainees are known to have died in custody, apparently as a result of torture or other ill-treatment by Iraqi interrogators and prison guards, who regularly refuse to confirm their detention or whereabouts to relatives," says AI. The treatment of detainees--Iraqis often arrested because they belong to the wrong political party, or for completely accidental reasons--has been a source of concern to the U.S. authorities, but corrections have been inadequate and may be worsening as the political situation continued to be factionalized. (Sept. 13, 2010)"

"New violence, corruption threaten security

The massive bombings in August and October in Baghdad, killing hundreds, and ongoing violence in Mosul and Kirkuk are raising new concerns about progress made in Iraq. Among the sources of worry is pervasive and dangerous corruption in the security forces, as the New York Times reported in late October."
The Human Cost of the War in Iraq

BRAVE IRAQ DESERVES MORE THAN A PUPPET GOVERNMENT

"The outcome of the Iraqi elections is being challenged by almost everybody. Prime Minister Al-Maliki initially claimed the election was free and fair, but has now decided that there has, after all, been widespread cheating. Perhaps this is because his main challenger, former Prime Minister Ayad Allawi, did so well. Both Al-Maliki and Allawi won around 90 seats each in the 325 seat parliament.

Al-Maliki should be believed when he says that there has been widespread cheating. He ordered most of it."
BRAVE IRAQ DESERVES MORE THAN A PUPPET GOVERNMENT – by Brian Binley MP « The Cornerstone Group

Iraq’s Quest for Democracy amid Massive Corruption

According to Transparency International, Iraq ranked as the third worst country in the world for corruption in 2006, 2007, and 2008—and the fourth worst in 2009. The World Bank also placed Iraq at the bottom of the list."Arab Reform Bulletin - Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
 
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reefedjib said:
So what? It was still moral to invade, overthrow the government, stop the humanitarian disaster, and build a democracy.
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What are you figuring there, that one out of three isn't bad?
 
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