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Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

Erod said:
So you don't understand the difference between a revolution and an election. Got it.
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No, the point was to show how you fail to comprehend the difference between democracy and a dictatorship.
 
Egypt has a much better chance of a successful democracy than Iraq does.
 
apdst said:
When are Egypts national elections schedualed for?
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CAIRO (Reuters) - Egypt's new military rulers said on Sunday they would keep control of the country for six months or until parliamentary and presidential elections are held following constitutional amendments.


The military seems to support a new democratic government. Iraq's military was in ruins and it was US forces that initiated elections. The key is the military.
 
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USA_1 said:
CAIRO (Reuters) - Egypt's new military rulers said on Sunday they would keep control of the country for six months or until parliamentary and presidential elections are held following constitutional amendments.


The military seems to support a new democratic government. Iraq's military was in ruins and it was US forces that initiated elections. The key is the military.
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So, no schedualed election, as yet?
 
apdst said:
So, no schedualed election, as yet?
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I don't know if the scheduled election in the fall is still in effect or not.
It's been two days. Give it least a week before you give up on it. How long after the liberation did Iraq have it's first election?
 
USA_1 said:
I don't know if the scheduled election in the fall is still in effect or not.
It's been two days. Give it least a week before you give up on it. How long after the liberation did Iraq have it's first election?
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That's irrelevent, because we all knew that the United States wasn't going to install a dictatorship. The Egyptian army? Well, that remains to be seen.
 
apdst said:
That's irrelevent, because we all knew that the United States wasn't going to install a dictatorship. The Egyptian army? Well, that remains to be seen.
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Do you think they are lying? Why?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...LGIQ9M1A1I4H01-6VHKGC1THP5CJMHR6IKJKHDJNP.DTL

Feb. 13 (Bloomberg) -- Egypt's military vowed a transition to democracy "as soon as possible" and indicated the country will honor its peace treaty with Israel following the resignation of President Hosni Mubarak.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...-6VHKGC1THP5CJMHR6IKJKHDJNP.DTL#ixzz1Dr5mt5o5
 
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USA_1 said:
Do you think they are lying? Why?
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I don't exactly believe that they're lying, but you'll have to excuse me if I don't get all warm and fuzzy thinking that they're telling the truth.

They've created a ruling military council, disbanded parliament and voided the constitution. Not a good start, IMO.
 
apdst said:
I don't exactly believe that they're lying, but you'll have to excuse me if I don't get all warm and fuzzy thinking that they're telling the truth.

They've created a ruling military council, disbanded parliament and voided the constitution. Not a good start, IMO.
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You mean the same consititution that allowed Mubarak to stay in power for 30 years :coffeepap
 
Jetboogieman said:
You mean the same consititution that allowed Mubarak to stay in power for 30 years :coffeepap
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Yeah, that's the one. Now they have nothing to prevent the army from ruling for another 30 years.

Don't hate me, just because I don't see the army making a deal that won't allow them to keep the status that they have.

Where once the military life guaranteed at best a genteel poverty, senior Egyptian officers now live like pashas, with incomes far beyond their official salaries. Add to this pyramid of military privilege
civilian relatives of senior military officers who’ve used their access and protection to game Egypt’s system of crony capitalism, and mid-ranking officers who can’t conceive of themselves outside of the orbit of their uniformed patrons, and you’ve got a legion of men and women who really don’t want Egypt to change that much. The enemy of reform and democracy in Egypt—and everywhere else in the Arab world—isn’t only the power of dictators and their families but also the appetite and expectations of their armed forces, which created modern authoritarianism.

The Egyptian Army and Obama | The Weekly Standard
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If I'm wrong, feel free to beat me up all you want; but, at least wait until you have some actual facts vice speculation.
 
apdst said:
I don't exactly believe that they're lying, but you'll have to excuse me if I don't get all warm and fuzzy thinking that they're telling the truth.

They've created a ruling military council, disbanded parliament and voided the constitution. Not a good start, IMO.
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It's an excellent start.
 
apdst said:
I never said they're lying.
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Sounds like you don't believe them to me.

The Egyptian army? Well, that remains to be seen.
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When someone doesn't believe what is said then they must believe they are lying. right?
 
USA_1 said:
It's an excellent start.
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I disagree that voiding the constitution, disbanding parliament and consolidating the army's power into a supreme military council is an, "excellant start".

USA_1 said:
Sounds like you don't believe them to me.


When someone doesn't believe what is said then they must believe they are lying. right?
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Not necessarily. I'm in a, "I'll believe it when I see it", mode.
 
apdst said:
I disagree that voiding the constitution, disbanding parliament and consolidating the army's power into a supreme military council is an, "excellant start".



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Parlament and the constitution were Mubaraks. Makes no sense to keep anything Mubarak. It is an excelent start to a real democracy.
 
USA_1 said:
Parlament and the constitution were Mubaraks. Makes no sense to keep anything Mubarak. It is an excelent start to a real democracy.
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Are you 100% infallably sure that a democracy will emerge? I'm not... it's possible certainly, I'm just a bit cynical of the "probable" part. I'll be very happy to be wrong in this case...
 
Ockham said:
Are you 100% infallably sure that a democracy will emerge? I'm not... it's possible certainly, I'm just a bit cynical of the "probable" part. I'll be very happy to be wrong in this case...
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No, but there is a better chance of a successful democracy emerging in Egypt than Iraq.
 
USA_1 said:
No, but there is a better chance of a successful democracy emerging in Egypt than Iraq.
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Iraq already has a Republic based Democracy (Parlimentary version). I guess your qualification of "success" is the variable...
 
Ockham said:
Iraq already has a Republic based Democracy (Parlimentary version). I guess your qualification of "success" is the variable...
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A democracy propped up by a foregn power is not a successful democracy. If it can stand on it's own and thrive, then it will be considered a success. If it only lasts for a decade or so it it won't.
 
USA_1 said:
Egypt has a much better chance of a successful democracy than Iraq does.
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And it didn't cost us thousands of US lives and 2 trillion dollars of National debt!
 
Erod said:
If they manage to implement a democracy as we think of it, the total in the Middle East will be.......one.

I don't think it's possible over there. I hope I'm wrong, but I think you can say hello to a country run by the Muslim Brotherhood and a very Iran/Syria/Lebenon type of country will ensue.
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You are wrong. Actually, it would be two. There was Mossadegh in Iran, but we didn't like the outcome, so the CIA overthrew the government and installed the Shah. And some people have the audacity to ask why they hate us over there.
 
USA_1 said:
A democracy propped up by a foregn power is not a successful democracy. If it can stand on it's own and thrive, then it will be considered a success. If it only lasts for a decade or so it it won't.
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And if it only lasts two decades or so? You're view of "success" is very personalized. A democracy where people are no longer murdered, tortured, made sex slaves to psychopathic Saddam sons where the population can excercise their own views and freely vote is a success even if it's only for a year. It's more freedom they've had in decades and even 1 year's worth is better than nothing.
 
Ockham said:
And if it only lasts two decades or so? You're view of "success" is very personalized. A democracy where people are no longer murdered, tortured, made sex slaves to psychopathic Saddam sons where the population can excercise their own views and freely vote is a success even if it's only for a year. It's more freedom they've had in decades and even 1 year's worth is better than nothing.
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People are dying violently in Iraq every day.
 
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