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Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

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I like how MORE attention is drawn to my posts because the color is changed!
 
Do I get a plaque for receiving "punishment" from three different mods within five minutes? I think I should!
 
bye bye dude

can't say I am gonna miss you
 
The Mubarak supporters are Egyptian people...

You are playing with semantics. We were discussing the Egyptian people as a political force. The Mubarak supporters were not part of the political force of the Egyptian people in their revolution.
 
You are playing with semantics. We were discussing the Egyptian people as a political force. The Mubarak supporters were not part of the political force of the Egyptian people in their revolution.

That's like saying that the, "Russian people", were a political force during the Bolshevik revolution.
 
Democrat strategist Doug Schoen believes it won't be so pretty because (polls from various sources):

Mr. Schoen cherry picks and presents a misleading picture of Egyptian thought. It's far more nuanced than the picture he presents.

For example, in a Pew poll, 85% of Egyptians believe Islam's role in politics is positive and 95% felt that it was good that Islam played a large role in politics. However, one cannot automatically assume that such support grants license to extremism. In the very same poll, 61% of Egyptians expressed that they were somewhat or very concerned about Islamic extremism in Egypt and 70% felt the same about about Islamic extremism worldwide.
 
Mr. Schoen cherry picks and presents a misleading picture of Egyptian thought. It's far more nuanced than the picture he presents.

For example, in a Pew poll, 85% of Egyptians believe Islam's role in politics is positive and 95% felt that it was good that Islam played a large role in politics. However, one cannot automatically assume that such support grants license to extremism. In the very same poll, 61% of Egyptians expressed that they were somewhat or very concerned about Islamic extremism in Egypt and 70% felt the same about about Islamic extremism worldwide.

Concerned about it's success/failure?
 
Yesterday, in Message #184 in this thread, I had stated that during the transition there will likely be good continuity in Egypt's foreign relations. Things will remain relatively unchanged vis-a-vis the U.S. and also the Israel-Egypt peace treaty will remain intact. Today, Egypt's military confirmed it.

The BBC reported:

Egypt's military authorities have reaffirmed the country's commitment to all its international treaties...

"The Arab Republic of Egypt is committed to all regional and international obligations and treaties," the military officer said.
 
Oh! You never quoted me. I've never saod anything remotely close to what you were saying with your bull**** history. Either way, you're lieing. So, which lie are you telling?

Someone's panties are in a bunch...
 
Catawba said:
You are playing with semantics. We were discussing the Egyptian people as a political force. The Mubarak supporters were not part of the political force of the Egyptian people in their revolution.

Okay, so it means, as we've already known, pretty much whatever you want it to.
 
Yesterday, in Message #184 in this thread, I had stated that during the transition there will likely be good continuity in Egypt's foreign relations. Things will remain relatively unchanged vis-a-vis the U.S. and also the Israel-Egypt peace treaty will remain intact. Today, Egypt's military confirmed it.

The BBC reported:

Egypt's military authorities have reaffirmed the country's commitment to all its international treaties...

"The Arab Republic of Egypt is committed to all regional and international obligations and treaties," the military officer said.

Exactly, but some people are going to continue to cry that the sky is falling, and that Egypt is just the first step to making America an Islamic nation. :mrgreen:
 
Exactly, but some people are going to continue to cry that the sky is falling, and that Egypt is just the first step to making America an Islamic nation. :mrgreen:

No one has said the sky is falling; neither literally, nor figuratively. Some of us just aren't convinced that this is suddenly a bed of roses for the Egyptians.
 
No one has said the sky is falling; neither literally, nor figuratively. Some of us just aren't convinced that this is suddenly a bed of roses for the Egyptians.

There's a lot of different ways this can all go bad -- no doubt. The thing is, Mubarak stepped down, whether from pressure from the Military, or the Egyptian people - it doesn't really matter. Unlike SH, he left, and I think history will be kinder to him for doing that.
 
Yes, like the peaceful transition that happened in 1776 in colonial America. :roll:

So you don't understand the difference between a revolution and an election. Got it.
 
When asked what kind of government Egypt will have, perhaps a wise leader there will reply, as Benjamin Franklin once did, "A Republic, if we can keep it". In the end, it is ultimately up to the people of Egypt to decide.

If they manage to implement a democracy as we think of it, the total in the Middle East will be.......one.

I don't think it's possible over there. I hope I'm wrong, but I think you can say hello to a country run by the Muslim Brotherhood and a very Iran/Syria/Lebenon type of country will ensue.
 
There's a lot of different ways this can all go bad -- no doubt. The thing is, Mubarak stepped down, whether from pressure from the Military, or the Egyptian people - it doesn't really matter. Unlike SH, he left, and I think history will be kinder to him for doing that.

I have a feeling that Mubarak stepped down because the military refused to suppress the protestors. And it seemed the military was going to prevent the secret police from doing the suppression as well. Which left Mubarak little choice but to wait out the protestors, or leave. As the protests had no sign of waining, Mubarak had little choice but leave or see Egypt erupt into flames. Even with being a corrupt dictator seeking to enrich himself (from reports) he stilled seems to care about Egypt as a country.

So as dictators go, no where near the worst when it comes to repression, but he was not very good for Egypt, from an economic standpoint leading to its stagnation and general economic decline
 
Even with being a corrupt dictator seeking to enrich himself (from reports) he stilled seems to care about Egypt as a country.

So as dictators go, no where near the worst when it comes to repression, but he was not very good for Egypt, from an economic standpoint leading to its stagnation and general economic decline

IMO, President Mubarak's legacy will be mixed. He was a political leader who was deeply committed to stability.Toward that end, he preserved the Egypt-Israel peace agreement his predecessor negotiated and signed. He patiently rebuilt relationships that numerous Arab states had severed following Egypt's signing the peace treaty. He played an energetic and continuing role in trying to facilitate regional peace, all in pursuit of a more stable region. During his tenure, Egypt largely escaped the tide of religious fundamentalism that swept some parts of the Middle East and North Africa. All of those are positive achievements for which the former President deserves credit.

However, that commitment to stabilty was also his undoing. Egypt had relatively stagnant economic and political institutions. His approach favored slow, incremental reform over bold change. Hence, even as the gap between the economic and social needs of his people (a youthful and growing population) and what his government could or would deliver widened into a chasm, he was unable or unwilling to take the necessary bold measures to bridge that gap. By that time, Egypt needed nothing short of a political and economic restructuring. President Mubarak could deliver only modest reforms. Ultimately, his people lost confidence in his leadership and no words or promises afterward could rebuild that lost confidence.
 
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Three positive developments today from what I read on the BBC's live coverage:

The Muslim Brotherhood will not run a candidate for president, nor will they seek to win the majority in parliament.

The supreme council will uphold all treaties, including the treaty with Israel (and Israel is refraining from commenting on the revolution, thankfully).

The protesters are cleaning up the squre. The last may seem insignificant to some, but it shows people who have the maturity to understand that they are now in charge of their country, and responsible for its wellbeing.
 
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We will see if a liberal "democratic" government can resolve the issues that were at the root of the demonstrations/strikes. My guess is that they will fail, though it will be interesting to see what kind of developments there will be both economically and politically amongst the Egyptian workers and their allies in the coming months.
 
We will see if a liberal "democratic" government can resolve the issues that were at the root of the demonstrations/strikes. My guess is that they will fail, though it will be interesting to see what kind of developments there will be both economically and politically amongst the Egyptian workers and their allies in the coming months.

While I believe Egypt will have a more democratic government following the transitional period, that more democratic government could yield to more illiberal rule afterward if Egypt cannot effectively address its substantial social and economic challenges. A lack of satisfactory outcomes could well undermine progress toward more democratic governance.
 
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