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Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

Conservatives especially earn my disdain and anger. Talk about complete and utter hypocrisy. And even worse, it is hypocrisy regarding the VERY FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE OF CONSERVATISM, LIBERTY. Evidently, it isn't good enough to bless Egyptians and other Middle Easterners with. Utterly pathetic. I have no fair thoughts toward conservatives today. ****ers.

I thought conservatives were principled. Not.
 
Wow. I felt chills today watching the jubilation in Egypt that I haven't experienced since watching the Berlin Wall crumble... on my birthday!! These people have gambled with their very lives, because they believed that death was better than living in terror, poverty, humiliation and bone-chilling fear. For 30 years they have lived under Martial Law, under the thumb of a tyrant who sent secret police out to brutalize the populace at will. Now they have a chance at freedom and democracy. So many of them were crying on tv that they have their dignity now, that they feel as if they are worth something as people.

Mubarak may have been a pro-western tyrant, but he made his people feel worthless. That anyone on this forum or anywhere else could believe that we should have done something to help a vicious dictator continue to abuse his people because it was in our best interests is astounding. This is America, remember? We're supposed to stand for freedom and democracy. We'll deal with Egypt's next government, the government the people choose, which may not be the government we would have preferred. Tough noogies for us.

This has been a glorious day for Egypt. I feel like I have watched the birth of a nation. Oh, I know, time will tell, but let me be happy for them for at least one day. And I AM happy for them.

The conservative woe-is-me bitchfest in this thread... not so much.
 
"I can't help but admire their disinterested and courageous conduct on behalf of Cuba. Those who in one form or another have helped to protect the Cuban people from the terrorist plans and assassination plots organised by various U.S. administrations have done so at the initiative of their own conscience and are deserving, in my judgment, of all the honours in the world."

Well unions did play a significant role, and you know how evil unions are...
 
I thought conservatives were principled. Not.

The Egyptian military deposed a dictator. We will see what happens.

The American people are responsible for the liberty of the American people. The American people have no obligations to foreigners.
 
The Egyptian military deposed a dictator.
Erm, no. The military has taken control of the government at the behest of the anti-Mubarak population, pressure from the protests and global support forced Mubarak to quit.
 
Yeah, but this hasn't played out yet. There were people that said the Iranian revoltion of 79 was awesome, too. Khomeni was hailed as the savior of Iran. What about the Bolshevic revolution? That was a popular uprising. The Egyptian revolution in 1952 was a popular uprising. That's what got us to where we are.

There's more evidence to suggest that this won't have a happy ending than there is that it will, so I'll wait until this all comes out in the wash, before I get excited.

I trully apologize for having an opinion based on reality, rather than fantascy, but there it is. It in no way excuses the insults.

Question: if this goes to hell in a handbag, are you going to blame the Egyptian people?

When asked what kind of government Egypt will have, perhaps a wise leader there will reply, as Benjamin Franklin once did, "A Republic, if we can keep it". In the end, it is ultimately up to the people of Egypt to decide.
 
When asked what kind of government Egypt will have, perhaps a wise leader there will reply, as Benjamin Franklin once did, "A Republic, if we can keep it". In the end, it is ultimately up to the people of Egypt to decide.

There is no such thing as the "people of egypt" as a political force.
 
You're right. Mubarak is still in office.

If you think that this was an action taken by the entire "people of Egypt" then you are sorely mistaken. If that were the case then it would not have dragged out for so long. It is even more absurd to think that the "people of Egypt" as a whole are going to come together to discuss and collectively decide the formation of their new government. That is not how politics works, especially revolutions, even democratic ones.
 
When asked what kind of government Egypt will have, perhaps a wise leader there will reply, as Benjamin Franklin once did, "A Republic, if we can keep it". In the end, it is ultimately up to the people of Egypt to decide.

We'll see if the people get to actually decide.
 
When asked what kind of government Egypt will have, perhaps a wise leader there will reply, as Benjamin Franklin once did, "A Republic, if we can keep it". In the end, it is ultimately up to the people of Egypt to decide.

Well... they lean more to bin Ladin than bin Franklin. Their wise leader looks more like the puckhead that left Paris and went back to Iran to enslave the people.

Instead of preaching freedom, equality under the eyes of the law and basic human rights as bin Franklin and his pals did, ... we have a society that seems to want to crawl back towards the 7th century. If that is what they want... fine. But if they start messing with us or our allies... Beware! should be our early and clear warning (in diplomatic channels). Hostilities will be met with swift and decisive action.

... the peace between the Palestinians and Israeli's will be the least of our worries. It seem like a flea like problem in comparison to what seems to be coming.

How can one say this... based on the following:

Democrat strategist Doug Schoen believes it won't be so pretty because (polls from various sources):

A broad based analysis of Egyptian public opinion by Lisa Blaydes and Drew Linzerhow... concluded that 60 percent of Egyptians have fundamentalist views, while just 20 percent are secular in their orientation.

Egyptians also support a more expansive role for Islam in Egyptian life.

85 percent – say Islam’s influence in politics is positive. Only 2 percent say its influence is negative. Not surprisingly, almost two-thirds of Egyptians told Zogby that Egyptian life would improve when clerics play a more central role in the political life of the country.

Egyptians also support the central elements of Shariah Law. For example, 84 percent say that apostates, or those who forsake Islam, should face the death penalty...

Further, the Egyptian people clearly support a political agenda that can only be described as radical. More than 7 in 10 said they were positive toward Iran getting nuclear weapons in a July 2010 Zogby Poll

80 percent favor abrogating the Camp David accords with Israel.

A significant number of Egyptians are favorable to terrorist organizations...

Given this data it is no shock that the only group in Egyptian society that has any broad based support is the Muslim Brotherhood.

...the Egyptian people are strongly favorable towards the Muslim Brotherhood. A study conducted in 2009 by WorldPublicOpinion.org shows that 64 percent have positive views of the Muslim Brotherhood, while just 16 percent have negative views. Just 22 percent believe they are too extreme and not genuinely democratic.

Indeed, the only party to defy expectations was the Brotherhood, which managed to win 20 percent of the seats contested in the 2005 Parliamentary elections. That was the last time they had any sort of legitimate chance to compete for votes.

Neutral observers believe that in a fair election, the Muslim Brotherhood would have won a much higher percentage of seats both in 2005 and 2010...

Secular parties have always done less well in Egypt, and the available evidence has consistently shown that there is little if any support for conventional, secular, democratic parties...

What does this mean for the United States? Almost certainly the next Egyptian government will be hostile to the United States and will pursue policies that are inimical to our interests. In the Zogby poll, 85 percent called themselves unfavorable to the United States and 92 percent described America as one of the two greatest threats to Egyptian interests in the world. The Pew polling bears this point out.

The Pew poll similarly found that the Egyptian people were unfavorable to the U.S. by an 82 percent to 17 percent margin. A survey conducted by Gallup last year shows that just 19 percent approve of the job the United States has played providing leadership around the globe...

And if anything, these attitudes are likely to grow more radical and more hostile over the next few months. Probably one of the most important, and poorly understood reasons... has been the penetration of satellite dishes and the growing influence of Al Jazeera.

More than three-quarters of Egyptians now have satellite dishes. Young people use them to get their news principally from Al Jazeera, whose interest in and deference to Islamic fundamentalist and extremist views cannot be underestimated.

ElBaradei has generated little broad-based support in the country, and the explicit rejection of his candidacy by the Muslim Brotherhood could be its death knell.

Make no mistake, the Obama administration needs to face up to the reality of what is most likely coming in Egypt...

Douglas E. Schoen has advised four former Israeli Prime Ministers over the last 30 years, including Prime Minister Menachem, beginning in the aftermath of the signing of the Camp David Accords. He also advised Prime Minister Tancu Ciller of Turkey between 1994-1996.

Read more: FoxNews.com - Why the Muslim Brotherhood Will Win
 
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You know that the military, who just had power handed to them, was trained by the US and is warmer to US-Egypt relations than the older generation in the Egyptian military that were trained by the Soviets?
 
Yes, that's exactly what he means.
 
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No, I did not.
 
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he has done the same thing all over the board Hugh
 
That scares me.
 
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