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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Any ME democracy will have to accommodate the Islamists. Re: Sadr in Iraq, part of the governing coalition with I think 5 prominent Ministerial posts. Consider them the religious right.

    We do have close ties with Egypt. I think Muslims are anti-American due to our support of dictatorships. Here's another chance to show otherwise.
    Agreed. I think if Iraq taught us anything is that we can't shove it down their throats. We can and should help, but we need to let it evolve into something that works best of Egypt.

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    Part of that will take a very long time to figure out.

    George Friedman wrote an interesting piece a few days ago that gives some additional perspective for part what the United States would look at: Israel's troubles.

    Here's a portion of the last half of the essay.



    Egypt, Israel and a Strategic Reconsideration | STRATFOR
    Thanks. I have read your excerpt and it looks interesting. I think I will read this during my break from studying our system!

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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    how long until this spreads elsewhere?
    the house of saud must be alarmed
    likewise the king of jordan
    which must then cause israel to wonder whether its neighboring alignments will remain intact
    but iran takes the cake
    a'jad praises the citizens' revolt while the iranian government promises to deal harshly with a planned show of support:
    ... Iranís rulers have strongly backed this yearís uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt by labelling it an Islamic movement against western-backed dictators and likening it to the 1979 revolution in Iran.
    However, the Islamic regime in Tehran, which faced the biggest unrest against its rule after a disputed presidential election in June 2009, is seeking to block Mondayís demonstration and has labelled it a conspiracy by its opponents.
    Hossein Hamedani, a senior commander of the elite Revolutionary Guard, said his forces would crush any possible protests on Monday. Kayhan, the hardline newspaper, threatened the Green Movement supporters with death. ...
    FT.com / Middle East & North Africa - Iran
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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    I think if Iraq taught us anything is that we can't shove it down their throats.
    Not at all. Iraq showed that democracy is a healthy possibility in the ME. Sure there was lots of violence. Still the Iraqis, not the US, debated and wrote a constitution that was ratified by popular vote - if only barely, due to Sunni opposition to it.

    We shoved it down their throat and it has inspired the Arab youth throughout the ME. Now they can do it on their own.

    We can and should help, but we need to let it evolve into something that works best of Egypt.
    I have not many doubts that it will. I have a lot of faith in the concurrence of the Egyptian Military that secular democracy is the way forward for Egypt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I hope that this is not a military coup. On the other hand, my boyfriend reminded me that MANY of the key leaders in the Egyptian army were trained in the U.S. and have close relationships with U.S. military personnel. The army is promising that free and fair elections will be held.

    I hope the best for the people of Egypt, and that they may have the freedom they so desire.
    I don't think Mubarak was arrested, so how could it be a military coup?
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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Not at all. Iraq showed that democracy is a healthy possibility in the ME. Sure there was lots of violence. Still the Iraqis, not the US, debated and wrote a constitution that was ratified by popular vote - if only barely, due to Sunni opposition to it.

    We shoved it down their throat and it has inspired the Arab youth throughout the ME. Now they can do it on their own.
    What I mean is we can't force them to follow our form directly. We can lay the ground work, but can't expect them to follow ours. We just simply have to give the blueprint.

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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    A great victory for the people of Egypt.

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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    What I mean is we can't force them to follow our form directly. We can lay the ground work, but can't expect them to follow ours. We just simply have to give the blueprint.
    Oh, I see. My bad. I agree, that it's up to them. It will be very interesting to see what form of "Democracy" they chose. Probably some form of Parliamentary Republic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    A great victory for the people of Egypt.
    Well it's a good start, but we won't know how much of a victory till we see what they end up with.
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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I don't think Mubarak was arrested, so how could it be a military coup?
    That's the only way a coup could occur?

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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    This, to me, is an incredible moment. Not just for Egypt, but for every country in the world. This is an example of a highly-militarized government being cast down by the popular will of the people without significant violence.

    This is what gives me hope for a peaceful road to a Socialist society.
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