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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

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    This is W's achievement despite the corruption, efforts and incompetence of O.
    This is the people of Egypt's achievment.
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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    really?
    all of those citizens assembling in the streets in protest for 18 days
    that had nothing to do with it



    stunning that you come to such a conclusion when the facts of the matter are so apparent
    Name one person, outside the army, that is in a position of leadership at this point. As always, thanks in advance.
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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I'm sure Egypt will only improve.
    The youth wish for democracy and liberty, they will protest again if they do not receive it.

    I hope the Egyptian military takes a similar role as that of Turkey's Army. The Guardians of the Secular State
    I agree with your sentiments. Although there is some risk (not of theocracy), there is also real opportunity for Egypt to move toward more democratic governance. Former President Mubarak ultimately yielded when it had become clear to him that there was unyielding massive public demand for him to step aside. The military, many of its soldiers whom were on the streets where the protests were taking place, also clearly understands where public sentiments rest. Hence, the military very likely will pursue the kind of transition it has suggested that it would. What happens once a more democratic framework has been devised is a different matter, but there is real opportunity for a stable political system to emerge.

    Some sentiment that seems to broadbrush Egypt and Iran following the Shah's fall has little to do with actual circumstances and prospects in Egypt. Given how broad and deep secularism is in Egypt, the kind of Iran-style theocracy is very unlikely anytime soon. Even the Muslim Brotherhood is resigned to reality, hence its express willingness to "participate" rather than to seek to govern. Egypt is not pre-Ayatollah Khomenei Iran where secularism was superficial coupled with a substantial religious "re-awakening." That Egypt has a majority Muslim population does not automatically mean that a theocratic-style state will emerge.

    Finally, as far as Egypt's foreign relations are concerned, continuity is far more likely than not during the transition and probably beyond it. Egypt's focus will shift to building the political, legal, and institutional framework for more democratic governance.

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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    I took no position on the entire Constitution. I do believe it needs substantial and fundamental reworking. My point was that the Constitution did grant the President robust emergency powers.

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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Name one person, outside the army, that is in a position of leadership at this point. As always, thanks in advance.

    and thus, you conclude the army was what created this regime change
    and ignore the mass of citizens on public march for 18 days

    lay off the kool aid
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I'm sure Egypt will only improve.
    The youth wish for democracy and liberty, they will protest again if they do not receive it.

    I hope the Egyptian military takes a similar role as that of Turkey's Army. The Guardians of the Secular State
    That's the same role that Nasser took.
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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and thus, you conclude the army was what created this regime change
    and ignore the mass of citizens on public march for 18 days

    lay off the kool aid
    Had the Army totally supported Mubarak the outcome would have been different. There would have been a bloodbath and Mubarak would have remained in power.
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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and thus, you conclude the army was what created this regime change
    and ignore the mass of citizens on public march for 18 days

    lay off the kool aid
    They didn't create it, but they obviously took advantage of it.
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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    Had the Army totally supported Mubarak the outcome would have been different. There would have been a bloodbath and Mubarak would have remained in power.
    as you can see below, we don't disagree:
    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    we see it has not made its appearance in the past 30 years
    in what time span do you project democracy would have been able to take root under the existing constitution - one which has allowed a continuous state of emergency for over 20 years



    our military has a long established relationship with its egyptian counterparts
    the egyptian army played the role of referee in this uprising. it certainly had the means to quash the rebellion had it sought to do so to preserve the old order
    there is effectively a one party system now in place. this will provide an opportunity for new parties to form for truly representative government to evolve
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by LowRevs View Post
    This is W's achievement despite the corruption, efforts and incompetence of O.
    How is this anyone's achievement, but the Egyptian people protesting and the Egyptian army for not shooting the protesters?

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