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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Now the real difficult work begins! It took us a long time to developed to this flawed but admirable democracy.

    For one, I'm an opptomist who thinks that the Egyptians who rose up there will be responsible, and hopefully will have learned from our's and other's mistakes. Perhaps they are not destined to repeat the follies of history. My optomism rose from recent news beginning with a report of Muslims forming a circle around Christians so they could worship in peace followed by Christians doing the same for the Muslims.

    Apparently a secret police shooting precipitated this uprising which has filled the streets for, is it 18 days now? This many people outraged at the atrocities propagated by their government to the point of facing down a violent autocracy at the risk of their lives and property will no doubt continue this battle to a positive end. Whether their new government is of "Western" orientation or not is irrelevant at this point. Any tyrant that falls and is replaced by a flawed democracy is a monumental improvement of planet earth. Begin with individual human rights and build from there.

    Hail Egypt! Welcome to the 21st century.

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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The constitution allowed Mubarack to rule with emergency powers? Care to show us the text?
    From the Egyptian Constitution:

    Art.74: If any danger threatens the national unity or the safety of the motherland or obstructs the constitutional role of the State institutions, the President of the Republic shall take urgent measures to face this danger, direct a statement to the people and conduct a referendum on those measures within sixty days of their adoption.

    The current emergency law, that the protesters wanted rescinded immediately, was adopted under this authority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    ROTFLOL... Military coup... What's the problem? Obama wanted Honsi MuBarack out.

    He's out.

    Change You Can Believe In.
    The Ones He Wasn't Waiting For.
    Yes they Did.

    Where was Obama's Plan?


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    this is the way it is supposed to work
    where the people TAKE their freedom
    it is not something that another power can bestow. unlike the shrub, Obama was wise enough to stay the **** out of it
    tho some would assert that his speech in cairo, indicating the middle east was no exception to the belief that we are all entitled to be free persons, may have been a tiny spark
    we will soon recognize in iraq that a people who are not discontent enough to throw the shackles off for themselves, will never know democracy
    and the afghanis are teaching us that hard won lesson today
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    From the Egyptian Constitution:

    Art.74: If any danger threatens the national unity or the safety of the motherland or obstructs the constitutional role of the State institutions, the President of the Republic shall take urgent measures to face this danger, direct a statement to the people and conduct a referendum on those measures within sixty days of their adoption.

    The current emergency law, that the protesters wanted rescinded immediately, was adopted under this authority.
    So, the solution is to void the entire constitution?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    This is W's achievement despite the corruption, efforts and incompetence of O.
    I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.--Thomas Jefferson

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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    this is the way it is supposed to work
    where the people TAKE their freedom
    it is not something that another power can bestow. unlike the shrub, Obama was wise enough to stay the **** out of it
    tho some would assert that his speech in cairo, indicating the middle east was no exception to the belief that we are all entitled to be free persons, may have been a tiny spark
    we will soon recognize in iraq that a people who are not discontent enough to throw the shackles off for themselves, will never know democracy
    and the afghanis are teaching us that hard won lesson today
    Yeah, but, the people haven't taken a damn thing. The army did.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    1753: Asked about the military - including Defence Minister Mohammed Hussein Tantawi - now being in charge, Mohamed ElBaradei tells the BBC: "I think it is not going to just be Tantawi, but the whole military leadership. I also understand that they are going to reach out to all sections of Egyptian society. I hope it will want to share power with civilians through the transitional period. I hope we will have a presidential council, a government of national unity and have enough time - perhaps a year - to prepare for genuine and free elections."

    1726: The BBC's world affairs editor, John Simpson, in Cairo says: "For 18 days, the stubbornness of one elderly man has been pitted against the will of millions here. The Egyptian army found itself in the middle, unwilling until the very end to force President Mubarak out, yet deeply hostile to any suggestion that the soldiers should remove the protesters from Tahrir Square by force. It is still too soon to know for certain what forced Mr Mubarak to step down, but it seems a reasonable assumption that the army leadership could see the hairline cracks appearing amongst their own officer corps. The generals were inclined to side with the president - one of their own - and the more junior officers sympathised with the demonstrators."

    BBC News - Egypt unrest
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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    this is the way it is supposed to work
    where the people TAKE their freedom
    it is not something that another power can bestow. unlike the shrub, Obama was wise enough to stay the **** out of it
    tho some would assert that his speech in cairo, indicating the middle east was no exception to the belief that we are all entitled to be free persons, may have been a tiny spark
    we will soon recognize in iraq that a people who are not discontent enough to throw the shackles off for themselves, will never know democracy
    and the afghanis are teaching us that hard won lesson today
    There might be a line in there I agree with, but the following is utter stupidity:

    unlike the shrub, Obama was wise enough to stay the **** out of it
    911.
    Connet-the -Dots.
    Saddam had and used WMD.
    He was 12-years and 16 Useless UN Resolutions down the road.
    Blix believed he had WMD, and said he weaponized some (which they claim that hadn't)

    WE DID NOT GO TO WAR WITH EGYPT... THEY DIDN'T INVADE KUWAIT, LOSE A WAR AND NOT COMPLY WITH THE DEAL THEY MADE TO DISARM AFTER LOSING SAID WAR.

    Doh... It's like you folks have NO capacity to remember.

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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, but, the people haven't taken a damn thing. The army did.
    really?
    all of those citizens assembling in the streets in protest for 18 days
    that had nothing to do with it



    stunning that you come to such a conclusion when the facts of the matter are so apparent
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, the solution is to void the entire constitution?
    I hope they haven't voided their constitution since it bans religious political parties. Voiding the constitution opens the door for the Muslim Brotherhood to take power.

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