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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Historical facts don't lie, my friend.
    But people who misrepresent the facts do.
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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

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    Yes. I do. Got anything to prove me wrong?
    Yes, the lack of any kind of threat from Iraq. Germany was attacking its neighbors. Iraq hasn't had the capacity to do that since before the Gulf war.
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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, the lack of any kind of threat from Iraq. Germany was attacking its neighbors. Iraq hasn't had the capacity to do that since before the Gulf war.
    So what? It was still moral to invade, overthrow the government, stop the humanitarian disaster, and build a democracy.

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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Care to point out their corruption?
    Seriously, this is the first time you've heard about the corruption in Iraq?

    "Amnesty International alleges 30,000 detainees in Iraq

    After the US military turned over an estimated 10,000 detainees, many of them held without any due process, the numbers now in Iraqi prisons number 30,000, according to a new Amnesty International report. "Several detainees are known to have died in custody, apparently as a result of torture or other ill-treatment by Iraqi interrogators and prison guards, who regularly refuse to confirm their detention or whereabouts to relatives," says AI. The treatment of detainees--Iraqis often arrested because they belong to the wrong political party, or for completely accidental reasons--has been a source of concern to the U.S. authorities, but corrections have been inadequate and may be worsening as the political situation continued to be factionalized. (Sept. 13, 2010)"

    "New violence, corruption threaten security

    The massive bombings in August and October in Baghdad, killing hundreds, and ongoing violence in Mosul and Kirkuk are raising new concerns about progress made in Iraq. Among the sources of worry is pervasive and dangerous corruption in the security forces, as the New York Times reported in late October."
    The Human Cost of the War in Iraq

    BRAVE IRAQ DESERVES MORE THAN A PUPPET GOVERNMENT

    "The outcome of the Iraqi elections is being challenged by almost everybody. Prime Minister Al-Maliki initially claimed the election was free and fair, but has now decided that there has, after all, been widespread cheating. Perhaps this is because his main challenger, former Prime Minister Ayad Allawi, did so well. Both Al-Maliki and Allawi won around 90 seats each in the 325 seat parliament.

    Al-Maliki should be believed when he says that there has been widespread cheating. He ordered most of it."
    BRAVE IRAQ DESERVES MORE THAN A PUPPET GOVERNMENT – by Brian Binley MP The Cornerstone Group

    Iraq’s Quest for Democracy amid Massive Corruption

    According to Transparency International, Iraq ranked as the third worst country in the world for corruption in 2006, 2007, and 2008—and the fourth worst in 2009. The World Bank also placed Iraq at the bottom of the list."Arab Reform Bulletin - Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    So what? It was still moral to invade, overthrow the government, stop the humanitarian disaster, and build a democracy.
    What are you figuring there, that one out of three isn't bad?
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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    So what? It was still moral to invade, overthrow the government, stop the humanitarian disaster, and build a democracy.
    Actuallty we created a bigger humanitarian disaster. We killed thousands of Iraqis.
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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What are you figuring there, that one out of three isn't bad?
    Can't count? It was 4 out of 4, senor.

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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    Actuallty we created a bigger humanitarian disaster. We killed thousands of Iraqis.
    99% of whom were attacking us. It was the insurgents who killed innocent Iraqis by the thousands, not the US.

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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    So what? It was still moral to invade, (1) overthrow the government, (2) stop the humanitarian disaster, and (3) build a democracy.
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    Can't count? It was 4 out of 4, senor.
    Overthrowing an old man with a shotgun is the the only thing I've seen that we have accomplished.
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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    99% of whom were attacking us. It was the insurgents who killed innocent Iraqis by the thousands, not the US.
    "Wikileaks' revelations via classified documents about the nearly nine-year-old conflict in Afghanistan also reveals interesting information about the war in Iraq. Some 90,000 documents were released, and one of the periodicals to which these documents were given, The Guardian (London), ferreted out the relevant bits of "after action" reports. One particularly telling aspect was how routinely the U.S. military describes those killed -in-action as Taliban, when in fact many if not most are civilians. "U.S. and allied commanders frequently deny allegations of mass civilian casualties, claiming they are Taliban propaganda or ploys to get compensation, which are contradicted by facts known to the military," says one of its reports. "But the logs demonstrate how much of the contemporaneous US internal reporting of air strikes is simply false" (July 25, 2010). The extent of civilian casualties caused by U.S. actions and previously unreported in the news media likely reaches well into the hundreds and possibly thousands. Precisely the same dynamic was at work in Iraq, though at a much higher scale, according to former soldiers and marines who testified at the "Winter Soldier" hearings in 2008 and 2009."
    The Human Cost of the War in Iraq
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