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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

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    I disagree that voiding the constitution, disbanding parliament and consolidating the army's power into a supreme military council is an, "excellant start".



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    Parlament and the constitution were Mubaraks. Makes no sense to keep anything Mubarak. It is an excelent start to a real democracy.
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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    Parlament and the constitution were Mubaraks. Makes no sense to keep anything Mubarak. It is an excelent start to a real democracy.
    Are you 100% infallably sure that a democracy will emerge? I'm not... it's possible certainly, I'm just a bit cynical of the "probable" part. I'll be very happy to be wrong in this case...
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Are you 100% infallably sure that a democracy will emerge? I'm not... it's possible certainly, I'm just a bit cynical of the "probable" part. I'll be very happy to be wrong in this case...
    No, but there is a better chance of a successful democracy emerging in Egypt than Iraq.
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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    No, but there is a better chance of a successful democracy emerging in Egypt than Iraq.
    Iraq already has a Republic based Democracy (Parlimentary version). I guess your qualification of "success" is the variable...
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Iraq already has a Republic based Democracy (Parlimentary version). I guess your qualification of "success" is the variable...
    A democracy propped up by a foregn power is not a successful democracy. If it can stand on it's own and thrive, then it will be considered a success. If it only lasts for a decade or so it it won't.
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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    Egypt has a much better chance of a successful democracy than Iraq does.
    And it didn't cost us thousands of US lives and 2 trillion dollars of National debt!
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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    If they manage to implement a democracy as we think of it, the total in the Middle East will be.......one.

    I don't think it's possible over there. I hope I'm wrong, but I think you can say hello to a country run by the Muslim Brotherhood and a very Iran/Syria/Lebenon type of country will ensue.
    You are wrong. Actually, it would be two. There was Mossadegh in Iran, but we didn't like the outcome, so the CIA overthrew the government and installed the Shah. And some people have the audacity to ask why they hate us over there.
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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    A democracy propped up by a foregn power is not a successful democracy. If it can stand on it's own and thrive, then it will be considered a success. If it only lasts for a decade or so it it won't.
    And if it only lasts two decades or so? You're view of "success" is very personalized. A democracy where people are no longer murdered, tortured, made sex slaves to psychopathic Saddam sons where the population can excercise their own views and freely vote is a success even if it's only for a year. It's more freedom they've had in decades and even 1 year's worth is better than nothing.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

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    And if it only lasts two decades or so? You're view of "success" is very personalized. A democracy where people are no longer murdered, tortured, made sex slaves to psychopathic Saddam sons where the population can excercise their own views and freely vote is a success even if it's only for a year. It's more freedom they've had in decades and even 1 year's worth is better than nothing.
    People are dying violently in Iraq every day.
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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    People are dying violently in Iraq every day.
    People are dying violently in every country every day.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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