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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    There's a lot of different ways this can all go bad -- no doubt. The thing is, Mubarak stepped down, whether from pressure from the Military, or the Egyptian people - it doesn't really matter. Unlike SH, he left, and I think history will be kinder to him for doing that.
    I have a feeling that Mubarak stepped down because the military refused to suppress the protestors. And it seemed the military was going to prevent the secret police from doing the suppression as well. Which left Mubarak little choice but to wait out the protestors, or leave. As the protests had no sign of waining, Mubarak had little choice but leave or see Egypt erupt into flames. Even with being a corrupt dictator seeking to enrich himself (from reports) he stilled seems to care about Egypt as a country.

    So as dictators go, no where near the worst when it comes to repression, but he was not very good for Egypt, from an economic standpoint leading to its stagnation and general economic decline
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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Even with being a corrupt dictator seeking to enrich himself (from reports) he stilled seems to care about Egypt as a country.

    So as dictators go, no where near the worst when it comes to repression, but he was not very good for Egypt, from an economic standpoint leading to its stagnation and general economic decline
    IMO, President Mubarak's legacy will be mixed. He was a political leader who was deeply committed to stability.Toward that end, he preserved the Egypt-Israel peace agreement his predecessor negotiated and signed. He patiently rebuilt relationships that numerous Arab states had severed following Egypt's signing the peace treaty. He played an energetic and continuing role in trying to facilitate regional peace, all in pursuit of a more stable region. During his tenure, Egypt largely escaped the tide of religious fundamentalism that swept some parts of the Middle East and North Africa. All of those are positive achievements for which the former President deserves credit.

    However, that commitment to stabilty was also his undoing. Egypt had relatively stagnant economic and political institutions. His approach favored slow, incremental reform over bold change. Hence, even as the gap between the economic and social needs of his people (a youthful and growing population) and what his government could or would deliver widened into a chasm, he was unable or unwilling to take the necessary bold measures to bridge that gap. By that time, Egypt needed nothing short of a political and economic restructuring. President Mubarak could deliver only modest reforms. Ultimately, his people lost confidence in his leadership and no words or promises afterward could rebuild that lost confidence.
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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Three positive developments today from what I read on the BBC's live coverage:

    The Muslim Brotherhood will not run a candidate for president, nor will they seek to win the majority in parliament.

    The supreme council will uphold all treaties, including the treaty with Israel (and Israel is refraining from commenting on the revolution, thankfully).

    The protesters are cleaning up the squre. The last may seem insignificant to some, but it shows people who have the maturity to understand that they are now in charge of their country, and responsible for its wellbeing.
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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    We will see if a liberal "democratic" government can resolve the issues that were at the root of the demonstrations/strikes. My guess is that they will fail, though it will be interesting to see what kind of developments there will be both economically and politically amongst the Egyptian workers and their allies in the coming months.
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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    We will see if a liberal "democratic" government can resolve the issues that were at the root of the demonstrations/strikes. My guess is that they will fail, though it will be interesting to see what kind of developments there will be both economically and politically amongst the Egyptian workers and their allies in the coming months.
    While I believe Egypt will have a more democratic government following the transitional period, that more democratic government could yield to more illiberal rule afterward if Egypt cannot effectively address its substantial social and economic challenges. A lack of satisfactory outcomes could well undermine progress toward more democratic governance.

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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    So you don't understand the difference between a revolution and an election. Got it.
    No, the point was to show how you fail to comprehend the difference between democracy and a dictatorship.

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    Egypt has a much better chance of a successful democracy than Iraq does.
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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    Egypt has a much better chance of a successful democracy than Iraq does.
    When are Egypts national elections schedualed for?
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    So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    When are Egypts national elections schedualed for?
    CAIRO (Reuters) - Egypt's new military rulers said on Sunday they would keep control of the country for six months or until parliamentary and presidential elections are held following constitutional amendments.


    The military seems to support a new democratic government. Iraq's military was in ruins and it was US forces that initiated elections. The key is the military.
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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    CAIRO (Reuters) - Egypt's new military rulers said on Sunday they would keep control of the country for six months or until parliamentary and presidential elections are held following constitutional amendments.


    The military seems to support a new democratic government. Iraq's military was in ruins and it was US forces that initiated elections. The key is the military.
    So, no schedualed election, as yet?
    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

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