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    Re: US Man Shot Pakistan Pair "In Cold Blood"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I did read the article. Have you ever taken any classes in Journalism?
    I have. I've edited newspapers too.

    If you had, you would realize that the words "in cold blood" are so incredibly loaded with prejudice that they should never appear in an undcredited headline like that. Instead, the headline should have been stated in terms of the Pakistani official questioning the account of the shooting.
    Do you understand the use of quotation marks? They function to signal to the reader that the words within are the reported remarks of a third party. In this case, those quoted words were stated in terms of the Pakistani official questioning the account of the shooting.

    I'm sure it is easier for you to attack me here rather than think about the implications of that headline, but as far as "predictable" is concerned, you might want to check your own attitudes regarding the way you attack me for my "anti-British Xenophobia" when my criticism was directed at the BBC.
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    Re: US Man Shot Pakistan Pair "In Cold Blood"

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I have. I've edited newspapers too.
    Actual newspapers, or leftist rags intent on politicizing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Do you understand the use of quotation marks? They function to signal to the reader that the words within are the reported remarks of a third party. In this case, those quoted words were stated in terms of the Pakistani official questioning the account of the shooting.
    They were stated in the headline devoid of context. As such, they were retained to influence point of view. Like I said, the ethical way to handle the headline would be to list it in terms of the Pakistani official questioning the account of the shooting, and then quote him directly in the body of the article.


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    At the British Broadcasting Corporation.
    and at that time when you quote the Albanian Brodcasting Corporation or the Bhutanese Broadcasting Corporation with similarly prejudicial headlines, I will criticize them, too.
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    Re: US Man Shot Pakistan Pair "In Cold Blood"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Actual newspapers, or leftist rags intent on politicizing?



    They were stated in the headline devoid of context. As such, they were retained to influence point of view. Like I said, the ethical way to handle the headline would be to list it in terms of the Pakistani official questioning the account of the shooting, and then quote him directly in the body of the article.
    This makes sense. Especially since a quick glance at the headlines is all the news some people get in a day, which is probably what this source is counting on.
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    Re: US Man Shot Pakistan Pair "In Cold Blood"

    Gardener, you do realise all newspapers sensationalise the headlines to grab peoples attention, right?
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    Re: US Man Shot Pakistan Pair "In Cold Blood"

    If Mr. Davis had diplomtic immunity, the proper course of action by Pakistan would be to expel him or to ask the U.S. to waive his immunity (very unlikely to be agreed by the U.S.).

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    Re: US Man Shot Pakistan Pair "In Cold Blood"

    There was a time when no allied power would deny the diplomatic status of American spies. Times have changed.

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    Re: US Man Shot Pakistan Pair "In Cold Blood"

    The earliest reports were that the embassy was unsure of his status. As I recall, he's not even a proper spy, but a "contractor"
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    Re: US Man Shot Pakistan Pair "In Cold Blood"

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The earliest reports were that the embassy was unsure of his status. As I recall, he's not even a proper spy, but a "contractor"
    Then why is Obama going all out to get the guy released?

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    Re: US Man Shot Pakistan Pair "In Cold Blood"

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Then why is Obama going all out to get the guy released?
    I haven't read that. It appears from the article in the OP that the US is NOT pushing hard for his release.

    The Pentagon appears uncertain of the guy's status and the Embassy has made no mention of diplomatic immunity. This is why I started the thread; it's all very odd. One would have expected one of the following to occur:

    • If he's a bona fide member of the embassy staff, his diplomatic immunity would be claimed swiftly and loudly. He'd be back home by now.
    • If he is a security contractor, his diplomatic status might not be obvious, but surely the company for whom he was working (under a State or Defence Department contract) would have claimed him and would be making representations on his behalf.
    • If he is there completely unofficially, why is the embassy doing anything other than ensuring he has a local lawyer and keeping an eye on due process?


    This is why this case is strange, no doubt.
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    Re: US Man Shot Pakistan Pair "In Cold Blood"

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I haven't read that. It appears from the article in the OP that the US is NOT pushing hard for his release.

    The Pentagon appears uncertain of the guy's status and the Embassy has made no mention of diplomatic immunity. This is why I started the thread; it's all very odd. One would have expected one of the following to occur:

    • If he's a bona fide member of the embassy staff, his diplomatic immunity would be claimed swiftly and loudly. He'd be back home by now.
    • If he is a security contractor, his diplomatic status might not be obvious, but surely the company for whom he was working (under a State or Defence Department contract) would have claimed him and would be making representations on his behalf.
    • If he is there completely unofficially, why is the embassy doing anything other than ensuring he has a local lawyer and keeping an eye on due process?


    This is why this case is strange, no doubt.
    I heard in passing that the US is now holding up all development aid to Pakistan until the fellow in question is released. This looks like a full court press to me. Please correct me if I am mistaken.

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