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Grant said:

I never charge people of either being a fascist or a commie and agree with you that it lowers the level of discourse. That's what I'm getting at here. I assume you are not saying that because coarseness has been a part of the discussion for so long that we should ignore it when it happens. I think we should speak out against it, as I am doing in this case. If there are those who feel differently then let them defend their position.



I know of no one who is making that claim.


Okay, and I am smacking back. Is there a problem with that?


Wow, this is a segue that makes no sense whatsoever!!!



Well there are many things in this world that are more demeaning than Glen Beck also but that is not what this conversation all about.

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You've taken one naughty photo about invisible penises - and then used it as an excuse to call left-leaning folks illiterate.

You then complain about the lowering of discourse.

I was merely pointing out that one course photo that isn't intended to do anything but poke fun is relatively harmless and has a long-standing tradition (if not as vulgar as this particular photo).

In comparison, Beck's continued rantings about Islamo-Commies taking over the world are utterly unfounded, but unlike this silly photo - ARE BEING BELIEVED.

People believing falsehoods being spread by a man who is merely doing so for the purpose of making a buck are much more dangerous to our politics than a silly vulgar little photo.

I agree with you about the coarseness of our politics. I'm just arguing that pointing your anger at one naughty little photo is the equivalent of stepping on one ant while ignoring the termite colony growing in your wall. There are much worse instances of what bothers you happening right in front of you.

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FilmFestGuy said:

Grant said:

You've taken one naughty photo about invisible penises - and then used it as an excuse to call left-leaning folks illiterate.

You then complain about the lowering of discourse.

I was merely pointing out that one course photo that isn't intended to do anything but poke fun is relatively harmless and has a long-standing tradition (if not as vulgar as this particular photo).

In comparison, Beck's continued rantings about Islamo-Commies taking over the world are utterly unfounded, but unlike this silly photo - ARE BEING BELIEVED.

People believing falsehoods being spread by a man who is merely doing so for the purpose of making a buck are much more dangerous to our politics than a silly vulgar little photo.

I agree with you about the coarseness of our politics. I'm just arguing that pointing your anger at one naughty little photo is the equivalent of stepping on one ant while ignoring the termite colony growing in your wall. There are much worse instances of what bothers you happening right in front of you.

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This is too far off topic to make any sense but, in any case, you'd have to point out something that Glen Beck said was false and then point out the people who believed the lie. You've done none of this.

I'm using the photo as an example of the coarseness that has entered the political arena and am trying to make the case for the long term harm it can do. It is divisive and unnecessary, a great example of how juvenile the electorate has become. And of course it's really not funny at all.

It might be worthwhile to begin a thread about one of Glen Beck's lies, it should be easy to find at least one mis-step because he's on the air almost every day, and then let the debate begin.

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Grant said:

FilmFestGuy said:

This is too far off topic to make any sense but, in any case, you'd have to point out something that Glen Beck said was false and then point out the people who believed the lie. You've done none of this.

I'm using the photo as an example of the coarseness that has entered the political arena and am trying to make the case for the long term harm it can do. It is divisive and unnecessary, a great example of how juvenile the electorate has become. And of course it's really not funny at all.

It might be worthwhile to begin a thread about one of Glen Beck's lies, it should be easy to find at least one mis-step because he's on the air almost every day, and then let the debate begin.

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I don't really want to debate Beck (it's just too tiring) - so let's make it hypothetical. I'm sure you can agree that there are plenty of commentators out there who make up conspiracy theories about the other side and pretend said conspiracy theory is true and then use it to label their opponent.

I'm much more concerned about this type of political coarseness than I am photoshops of Palin, Obama, Clinton, or whomever. These may be crass, but they're done for the purposes of a laugh.

Spreading unfounded lies about your philosophical adversary and spreading fear for profit is much worse for our politics than naughty pictures.

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FilmFestGuy said:

Grant said:

I don't really want to debate Beck (it's just too tiring) - so let's make it hypothetical. I'm sure you can agree that there are plenty of commentators out there who make up conspiracy theories about the other side and pretend said conspiracy theory is true and then use it to label their opponent.

I'm much more concerned about this type of political coarseness than I am photoshops of Palin, Obama, Clinton, or whomever. These may be crass, but they're done for the purposes of a laugh.

Spreading unfounded lies about your philosophical adversary and spreading fear for profit is much worse for our politics than naughty pictures.

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If you aren't interested in debating Beck then you shouldn't make claims and then refuse to debate the subject. Stick to the topic at hand.

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Travelsonic said:

Wow, how did we stray so far off topic for 8 pages?

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