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Miss. license plate proposed to honor KKK leader

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Miss. license plate proposed to honor KKK leader - Yahoo! News

A fight is brewing in Mississippi over a proposal to issue specialty license plates honoring Confederate Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest, who was an early leader of the Ku Klux Klan.

The Mississippi Division of Sons of Confederate Veterans wants to sponsor a series of state-issued license plates to mark the 150th anniversary of the Civil War, which it calls the "War Between the States." The group proposes a different design each year between now and 2015, with Forrest slated for 2014.

"Seriously?" state NAACP president Derrick Johnson said when he was told about the Forrest plate. "Wow."

Forrest, a Tennessee native, is revered by some as a military genius and reviled by others for leading an 1864 massacre of black Union troops at Fort Pillow, Tenn. Forrest was a Klan grand wizard in Tennessee after the war.

Sons of Confederate Veterans member Greg Stewart said he believes Forrest distanced himself from the Klan later in life. It's a point many historians agree upon, though some believe it was too little, too late, because the Klan had already turned violent before Forrest left.
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The name of this tune is Mississippi Goddam
And I mean every word of it

Alabama's gotten me so upset
Tennessee made me lose my rest
And everybody knows about Mississippi Goddam

Alabama's gotten me so upset
Tennessee made me lose my rest
And everybody knows about Mississippi Goddam
 
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I know, they should name libraries, highways, and government buildings after him instead..... I guess he'd have to have been a democrat senator though.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I know, they should name libraries, highways, and government buildings after him instead..... I guess he'd have to have been a democrat senator though.
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I was waiting for this.

Nathan Bedford Forrest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Forrest became a businessman, a planter who owned several cotton plantations in the Tennessee Delta, and a slave owner. He was also a slave trader, with a business based on Adams Street in Memphis. In 1858, Forrest (a conservative Democrat), was elected as a Memphis city alderman.[5] Forrest supported his mother and put his younger brothers through college. By the time the American Civil War started in 1861, he was a millionaire and one of the richest men in the South, having amassed a "personal fortune that he claimed was worth $1.5 million".[6]
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Like most Confederates during the Civil War, Nathan Bedford Forrest was a democrat. Your partisanship doth betray you sir.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
partisanship? I don't like klansmen, of any ilk. :shrug:
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Robert Byrd served the constituents of WV for over 40 years regardless of their skin color. Not sure how that makes him a klansman. Don't you Christians believe men can change? ;)
 
Hatuey said:
Robert Byrd served the constituents of WV for over 40 years regardless of their skin color. Not sure how that makes him a klansman. Don't you Christians believe men can change? ;)
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And when did I tell you I was a christian. :shrug:
 
Hatuey said:
Robert Byrd served the constituents of WV for over 40 years regardless of their skin color. Not sure how that makes him a klansman. Don't you Christians believe men can change? ;)
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Do they?...............

In 1875, Forrest demonstrated that his personal sentiments on the issue of race now differed from that of the Klan, when he was invited to give a speech before an organization of black Southerners advocating racial reconciliation, called the Independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association. At this, his last public appearance, he made what the New York Times described as a "friendly speech"[7] during which, when offered a bouquet of flowers by a black woman, he accepted them as a token of reconciliation between the races and espoused a radically progressive (for the time) agenda of equality and harmony between black and white Americans.

Nathan Bedford Forrest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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apdst said:
Do they?...............
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Already addressed. The Klan had already become violent after quit. Too little. Too late.
 
I like to fancy myself a white nigger. Especially on days when I beat my woman and chug down malt liquor. Liquor? I didn't even know her.
 
Hatuey said:
Already addressed. The Klan had already become violent after quit. Too little. Too late.
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oh for some former klansmen there is forgiveness, for others, scorn....... so in one post you say people can change, in this one you say it's too late.... hypoctitical if you ask me
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
oh for some former klansmen there is forgiveness, for others, scorn....... so in one post you say people can change, in this one you say it's too late.... hypoctitical if you ask me
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Robert Byrd was a klansman when he was 20 years old, quit and then spent the rest of his life serving the people of WV regardless of race. Nathan Bedford Forest founded the KKK, quit long after it had become violent and made a few speeches on racial equality. Historical context has never been your strength
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
oh for some former klansmen there is forgiveness, for others, scorn....... so in one post you say people can change, in this one you say it's too late.... hypoctitical if you ask me
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Political correctness sucks ass, too.
 
Hatuey said:
Robert Byrd was a klansman when he was 20 years old, quite and then spent the rest of his life serving the people of WV regardless of race. Nathan Bedford Forest founded the KKK, quit long after it had become violent and made a few speeches on racial equality. Historical context has never been your strength
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to me a klansman is a klansman. I always love it watching folks like you defend a klansman.... check that, I find it sad actually.


Ku Klux Klan

In the early 1940s, Byrd recruited 150 of his friends and associates to create a new chapter of the Ku Klux Klan.[9]

According to Byrd, a Klan official told him, "You have a talent for leadership, Bob ... The country needs young men like you in the leadership of the nation." Byrd later recalled, "suddenly lights flashed in my mind! Someone important had recognized my abilities! I was only 23 or 24 years old, and the thought of a political career had never really hit me. But strike me that night, it did."[9] Byrd held the titles Kleagle (recruiter) and Exalted Cyclops.[9] When it came time to elect the "Exalted Cyclops", the top officer in the local Klan unit, Byrd won unanimously.[9]

In 1944, Byrd wrote to segregationist Mississippi Senator Theodore G. Bilbo:[17]
“ I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds. ”

— Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Sen. Theodore Bilbo (D-MS), 1944, [9][18]

In 1946 or 1947, Byrd wrote a letter to a Grand Wizard stating, "The Klan is needed today as never before, and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia and in every state in the nation."[19] However, when running for the United States House of Representatives in 1952, he announced "After about a year, I became disinterested, quit paying my dues, and dropped my membership in the organization. During the nine years that have followed, I have never been interested in the Klan." He said he had joined the Klan because he felt it offered excitement and was anti-communist.[9]
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Honesty was never your strong suit...... :shrug:
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
to me a klansman is a klansman. I always love it watching folks like you defend a klansman.... check that, I find it sad actually.

Honesty was never your strong suit...... :shrug:
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Relying on history from 60 years ago? What exatcly are you trying to prove? That Byrd was racist 60+ years ago? This has already been stated.
 
Hatuey said:
Robert Byrd was a klansman when he was 20 years old, quit and then spent the rest of his life serving the people of WV regardless of race. Nathan Bedford Forest founded the KKK, quit long after it had become violent and made a few speeches on racial equality. Historical context has never been your strength
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No he didn't. Stop, please!!

The KKK (the Klan) was formed by veterans of the Confederate Army in Pulaski, Tennessee in 1866 and soon expanded throughout the state and beyond. Forrest became involved sometime in late 1866 or early 1867. A common report is that Forrest arrived in Nashville in April 1867 while the Klan was meeting at the Maxwell House Hotel, probably at the encouragement of a state Klan leader, former Confederate general George Gordon. The organization had grown to the point where an experienced commander was needed, and Forrest fitted the bill. In Room 10 of the Maxwell, Forrest was sworn in as a member.

Nathan Bedford Forrest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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The founder of the KKK doesn't get sworn in, in room #10 of the Maxwell House Hotel.

Byrd started his very own chapter.

In the early 1940s, Byrd recruited 150 of his friends and associates to create a new chapter of the Ku Klux Klan.[9]

According to Byrd, a Klan official told him, "You have a talent for leadership, Bob ... The country needs young men like you in the leadership of the nation." Byrd later recalled, "suddenly lights flashed in my mind! Someone important had recognized my abilities! I was only 23 or 24 years old, and the thought of a political career had never really hit me. But strike me that night, it did."[9] Byrd held the titles Kleagle (recruiter) and Exalted Cyclops.[9] When it came time to elect the "Exalted Cyclops", the top officer in the local Klan unit, Byrd won unanimously.[9]

In 1944, Byrd wrote to segregationist Mississippi Senator Theodore G. Bilbo:[17]
“ I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds. ”

— Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Sen. Theodore Bilbo (D-MS), 1944

Robert Byrd - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Hatuey said:
You would know. Mousolini's fascism never killed anybody right? ;)
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Not in the sense that you're saying it did. That's like saying that FDR created death camps.
 
Hatuey said:
Relying on history from 60 years ago? What exatcly are you trying to prove? That Byrd was racist 60+ years ago? This has already been stated.
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so now not when he was 20, but for "some time 60 years ago"....


tell me had segragation not been outlawed, what side would he have been on?

didn't he personally filibuster it for 14 hours?
 
apdst said:
No he didn't. Stop, please!!
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From the Mississippi Encyclopedia:

The official reorganization of the Klan into a political and terrorist movement began in April 1867, when the state's Democratic Party leadership met in Nashville. An invitation sent by the Pulaski den to others in the state called for a gathering of members at the Maxwell House hotel, where Tennessee's conservative Democrats provided for greater control of an expanding KKK. A prescript established administrative protocols and emphasized the need for secrecy. Subsequently, former Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest was elected the first and only Grand Wizard. In 1868 a revised prescript declared the Klan the defender of the Constitution of the United States and the protector of the orphans and widows of Confederate dead. Klansmen were required to swear that they had never been members of the Union army, the Union League, or the Republican Party, and they supported re-enfranchising ex-Rebels and upholding the South's constitutional rights.
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The founder of the KKK doesn't get sworn in, in room #10 of the Maxwell House Hotel.
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You were saying?

Byrd started his very own chapter.
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Already addressed. Do you have anything other than trolling left?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
so now not when he was 20, but for "some time 60 years ago"....


tell me had segragation not been outlawed, what side would he have been on?

didn't he personally filibuster it for 14 hours?
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The funniest part, is that Forrest had black soldiers serving in his brigade and Robert Byrd refused to serve along side a black man.

If folks stopped rading the PC version of history, I think the world would be much better off.
 
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