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Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.foxnews

Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

I have to say...its AMAZING watching the maroons on both sides making this a Bush vs Obama thing.
 
Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

Cut all foreign aid to these countries. These billions we are spending will not pay off in the long run. Lesson learned.
 
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Yep...right up til they wrap it around a telephone pole.

Seems like the reports were a teensy premature...doesnt look like dad is letting go just yet.

 
Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

Now you're just plugging your fingers in your ears *lalalalalalalala I don't want to hear any reason lalalalalalacan'thearyou*

Ok.") But only Obama is running for reelection next year. He will have to run on his record.
 
Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

That influence was dead by the time that dubya went on his knees to them asking them to please lower the price of oil. Don't you remember his and America's humiliation back then?


We have been Saudi Arabia's bitch for a long time.

After 9-11 which was committed by 15 Saudis and 4 other middle easteners you noticed we stayed far clear of coming after the biggest exporters of the terrorists, Saudi Arabia.
 
Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

Obama will be doing his best to walk a tight rope while trying to look as if he knows what he's doing when the truth is he's in over his head again.

It is clear Obama favors the Radical Muslim Brotherhood over Mubarak and he's always favored Islam over the U.S.

Sorry but I have pointed this out with evidence at least 100 times.

From Obama's Book Audacity of Hope:
I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.

There has been a shift in the wind now.
 
Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

What people seem to be missing here is that we are in a war against radical islamist in today's world, and Obama has been attempting a policy of appeasement that is not working. He is a weak stick and our enemies in the world see that clearly. I feel sorry for Israel.

This is a caliphate on the move...

j-mac
 
Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

What people seem to be missing here is that we are in a war against radical islamist in today's world, and Obama has been attempting a policy of appeasement that is not working. He is a weak stick and our enemies in the world see that clearly. I feel sorry for Israel.

This is a caliphate on the move...

j-mac

What you seem to miss is that we are suppressing democracy and human rights in order for us to have cheap oil. You probably can't understand why people would want to attack us...
 
Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

I think we can disagree on that. There are no pictures of Obama cuddling up to Saudi princes and kissing them on the lips like dubya used to have to do. The Saudis are racist and arrogant. They are also probably behind 9-11. Any American who looks to the Saudis for what is good for the US is misguided, IMO anyway.

It doesn't get much more humiliating for America than this blatant ass-kissing.

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Please don't tell me I am seeing tongue there..,
 
Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

What you seem to miss is that we are suppressing democracy and human rights in order for us to have cheap oil. You probably can't understand why people would want to attack us...


Again with the insulting tone? Hmmmm...I thought we were supposed to rachet it down...In any case I would love for you to explain how the MB is a democratic movement.

j-mac
 
Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

Please don't tell me I am seeing tongue there..,

Too difficult to photoshop....Quite the adult addition to the debate don't you think?


j-mac
 
Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

What people seem to be missing here is that we are in a war against radical islamist in today's world, and Obama has been attempting a policy of appeasement that is not working. He is a weak stick and our enemies in the world see that clearly. I feel sorry for Israel.

This is a caliphate on the move...

j-mac

True, but America can't deal effectively with foreign threats because of the division at home. America can't even bring itself to utter the name of the enemy, viz., Hanbali Islam in the form of Wahaabists and Salafists.
 
Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

True, but America can't deal effectively with foreign threats because of the division at home. America can't even bring itself to utter the name of the enemy, viz., Hanbali Islam in the form of Wahaabists and Salafists.

Absolutely Al. However, I can only hope that in '12 we get wise to this foolishness. Remember it took Carter to bring us Reagan, and so far Obama is shaping up to be Carter on steroids.


j-mac
 
Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

Again with the insulting tone? Hmmmm...I thought we were supposed to rachet it down...In any case I would love for you to explain how the MB is a democratic movement.

Sure I'll exlplain it. They represent a portion of the citizens. The current dictatorship banned them from represtation. I'm sorry if reality insults you. (Really I'm not sorry and I never agreed to "ratcheting down" anything)
 
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Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

Sure I'll exlplain it. They represent a portion of the citizens. The current dictatorship banned them from represtation. I'm sorry if reality insults you. (Really I'm not sorry and I never agreed to "ratcheting down" anything)

Awwwww....So the communist, socialist backed totalitarian relgious fanatics that want Shria law spread throughout the entire world, and the extinsion of all Jews are being supressed....That's just too bad.


j-mac
 
Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

The Saudis aren't the only ones who do not want to see Mubarak humiliated and run from office. Jordan's Prince Whatshisname called the WhiteHouse too, and he was not in a good mood. Those are two key allies in the ME. *sigh* Dominoes, anyone?
 
Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

The Saudis aren't the only ones who do not want to see Mubarak humiliated and run from office. Jordan's Prince Whatshisname called the WhiteHouse too, and he was not in a good mood. Those are two key allies in the ME. *sigh* Dominoes, anyone?

And how do you see the ME if that is true?

j-mac
 
Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

And how do you see the ME if that is true?

j-mac

It wouldn't be good for the west in general. The Saudi royals have screwed their people for generations, and in response have created an angry, radical Wahabbist population that, unlike Egypt, would install an extremist Islamic government and declare jihad on the entire west. The bulk of 9/11 bombers came from this angry population. However, the Saudi royals, unlike Mubarak, have total control of their military and no qualms about slaughtering thousands of protesters on the streets, so I don't see regime change happening. The Saudis, however, would be so pissed they'd blame the US for encouraging all these "freedom" demonstrations, and the USA can kiss it's cordial relationship with the Saudi government goodbye.

Jordan would be a big loss, since the government there is secular, and the King of Jordan has been a staunch US ally. Unlike the Egyptians, much of Jordan's population is islamist, with radical beliefs. If they brought down the government, including the King, it could go to a radical Islamic theocracy. Not good. I don't think the King would turn his military loose to slaughter the protesting populace either. So I'd be worried about Jordan.

Thing is, that's what happens when people have been oppressed for decades, impoverished and ignored. Eventually they want freedom, and they'll die to get it.

This isn't America's fault. We have to deal with the governments the world gives us. We didn't put Mubarak in power, nor the King of Jordan, nor the Saudi royal family. But peaceful protests for freedom and democracy? There's no way the USA could ever publicly frown upon that and not loose all credibility.
 
Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

It wouldn't be good for the west in general. The Saudi royals have screwed their people for generations, and in response have created an angry, radical Wahabbist population that, unlike Egypt, would install an extremist Islamic government and declare jihad on the entire west. The bulk of 9/11 bombers came from this angry population. However, the Saudi royals, unlike Mubarak, have total control of their military and no qualms about slaughtering thousands of protesters on the streets, so I don't see regime change happening. The Saudis, however, would be so pissed they'd blame the US for encouraging all these "freedom" demonstrations, and the USA can kiss it's cordial relationship with the Saudi government goodbye.

Jordan would be a big loss, since the government there is secular, and the King of Jordan has been a staunch US ally. Unlike the Egyptians, much of Jordan's population is islamist, with radical beliefs. If they brought down the government, including the King, it could go to a radical Islamic theocracy. Not good. I don't think the King would turn his military loose to slaughter the protesting populace either. So I'd be worried about Jordan.

Thing is, that's what happens when people have been oppressed for decades, impoverished and ignored. Eventually they want freedom, and they'll die to get it.

This isn't America's fault. We have to deal with the governments the world gives us. We didn't put Mubarak in power, nor the King of Jordan, nor the Saudi royal family. But peaceful protests for freedom and democracy? There's no way the USA could ever publicly frown upon that and not loose all credibility.


Democracy is becoming a buzz word like Progressive is. In today's Orwellian world it really doesn't mean what many think it does. Liberty should be the standard, Not some totalitarian, communist, Islamist movement looking to further supress the people with the guise of democracy.

j-mac
 
Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

The current Egyptian government doesn't seem to abide by the standards of liberty.
 
Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

The current Egyptian government doesn't seem to abide by the standards of liberty.

Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No its captian obvious...

Just playin :2razz:
 
Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

What you seem to miss is that we are suppressing democracy and human rights in order for us to have cheap oil. You probably can't understand why people would want to attack us...

THAT is the cause of all the other problems. America is the aggressor. Leave Islam alone & the radical clerics will run out of cannon fodder pdq.
 
Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

Quite the adult addition to the debate don't you think?

Given what people were saying about Obama it could not be more relevant. If I hadn't shown the pic some republican would be demanding "link?"
 
Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

Obama will be doing his best to walk a tight rope while trying to look as if he knows what he's doing when the truth is he's in over his head again.

It is clear Obama favors the Radical Muslim Brotherhood over Mubarak and he's always favored Islam over the U.S.

Sorry but I have pointed this out with evidence at least 100 times.

From Obama's Book Audacity of Hope:

I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.

There has been a shift in the wind now.
Obama did not say he would side with "the Muslims," which could easily be read as meaning he would side with the world's Muslim population even if it meant working outside the best interests of the United States. He said he would side with "them," referring back to his mention of immigrant communities and specifically to "Arab and Pakistani Americans." Furthermore, he was speaking of an "ugly direction" like the mass internment of Japanese Americans.


Actual quote from "The Audacity of Hope" [pg. 261]: Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.

FactCheck.org: Did Obama write that he would "stand with the Muslims" and that he nurses a "pervasive sense of grievance and animosity" toward whites?

PolitiFact | Not Muslims, but Arab-Americans
 
Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

This isn't America's fault. We have to deal with the governments the world gives us. We didn't put Mubarak in power, nor the King of Jordan, nor the Saudi royal family. But peaceful protests for freedom and democracy? There's no way the USA could ever publicly frown upon that and not loose all credibility.

All WHAT? US credibility left with dubya, cheney et al. It just doesn't come back that fast sorry. Look at America itself - there are still people in the South upset about the US Civil War.
 
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