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    Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

    The Saudis aren't the only ones who do not want to see Mubarak humiliated and run from office. Jordan's Prince Whatshisname called the WhiteHouse too, and he was not in a good mood. Those are two key allies in the ME. *sigh* Dominoes, anyone?

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    Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    The Saudis aren't the only ones who do not want to see Mubarak humiliated and run from office. Jordan's Prince Whatshisname called the WhiteHouse too, and he was not in a good mood. Those are two key allies in the ME. *sigh* Dominoes, anyone?
    And how do you see the ME if that is true?

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    Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And how do you see the ME if that is true?

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    It wouldn't be good for the west in general. The Saudi royals have screwed their people for generations, and in response have created an angry, radical Wahabbist population that, unlike Egypt, would install an extremist Islamic government and declare jihad on the entire west. The bulk of 9/11 bombers came from this angry population. However, the Saudi royals, unlike Mubarak, have total control of their military and no qualms about slaughtering thousands of protesters on the streets, so I don't see regime change happening. The Saudis, however, would be so pissed they'd blame the US for encouraging all these "freedom" demonstrations, and the USA can kiss it's cordial relationship with the Saudi government goodbye.

    Jordan would be a big loss, since the government there is secular, and the King of Jordan has been a staunch US ally. Unlike the Egyptians, much of Jordan's population is islamist, with radical beliefs. If they brought down the government, including the King, it could go to a radical Islamic theocracy. Not good. I don't think the King would turn his military loose to slaughter the protesting populace either. So I'd be worried about Jordan.

    Thing is, that's what happens when people have been oppressed for decades, impoverished and ignored. Eventually they want freedom, and they'll die to get it.

    This isn't America's fault. We have to deal with the governments the world gives us. We didn't put Mubarak in power, nor the King of Jordan, nor the Saudi royal family. But peaceful protests for freedom and democracy? There's no way the USA could ever publicly frown upon that and not loose all credibility.

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    Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    It wouldn't be good for the west in general. The Saudi royals have screwed their people for generations, and in response have created an angry, radical Wahabbist population that, unlike Egypt, would install an extremist Islamic government and declare jihad on the entire west. The bulk of 9/11 bombers came from this angry population. However, the Saudi royals, unlike Mubarak, have total control of their military and no qualms about slaughtering thousands of protesters on the streets, so I don't see regime change happening. The Saudis, however, would be so pissed they'd blame the US for encouraging all these "freedom" demonstrations, and the USA can kiss it's cordial relationship with the Saudi government goodbye.

    Jordan would be a big loss, since the government there is secular, and the King of Jordan has been a staunch US ally. Unlike the Egyptians, much of Jordan's population is islamist, with radical beliefs. If they brought down the government, including the King, it could go to a radical Islamic theocracy. Not good. I don't think the King would turn his military loose to slaughter the protesting populace either. So I'd be worried about Jordan.

    Thing is, that's what happens when people have been oppressed for decades, impoverished and ignored. Eventually they want freedom, and they'll die to get it.

    This isn't America's fault. We have to deal with the governments the world gives us. We didn't put Mubarak in power, nor the King of Jordan, nor the Saudi royal family. But peaceful protests for freedom and democracy? There's no way the USA could ever publicly frown upon that and not loose all credibility.

    Democracy is becoming a buzz word like Progressive is. In today's Orwellian world it really doesn't mean what many think it does. Liberty should be the standard, Not some totalitarian, communist, Islamist movement looking to further supress the people with the guise of democracy.

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    Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

    The current Egyptian government doesn't seem to abide by the standards of liberty.
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    Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

    Quote Originally Posted by LimeLight View Post
    The current Egyptian government doesn't seem to abide by the standards of liberty.
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    Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

    Quote Originally Posted by Illumination View Post
    What you seem to miss is that we are suppressing democracy and human rights in order for us to have cheap oil. You probably can't understand why people would want to attack us...
    THAT is the cause of all the other problems. America is the aggressor. Leave Islam alone & the radical clerics will run out of cannon fodder pdq.

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    Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Quite the adult addition to the debate don't you think?
    Given what people were saying about Obama it could not be more relevant. If I hadn't shown the pic some republican would be demanding "link?"

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    Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Obama will be doing his best to walk a tight rope while trying to look as if he knows what he's doing when the truth is he's in over his head again.

    It is clear Obama favors the Radical Muslim Brotherhood over Mubarak and he's always favored Islam over the U.S.

    Sorry but I have pointed this out with evidence at least 100 times.

    From Obama's Book Audacity of Hope:

    I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.

    There has been a shift in the wind now.
    Obama did not say he would side with "the Muslims," which could easily be read as meaning he would side with the world's Muslim population even if it meant working outside the best interests of the United States. He said he would side with "them," referring back to his mention of immigrant communities and specifically to "Arab and Pakistani Americans." Furthermore, he was speaking of an "ugly direction" like the mass internment of Japanese Americans.


    Actual quote from "The Audacity of Hope" [pg. 261]: Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.

    FactCheck.org: Did Obama write that he would "stand with the Muslims" and that he nurses a "pervasive sense of grievance and animosity" toward whites?

    PolitiFact | Not Muslims, but Arab-Americans
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    Re: Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to 'Humiliate' Mubarak Read more: http://www.fox

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    This isn't America's fault. We have to deal with the governments the world gives us. We didn't put Mubarak in power, nor the King of Jordan, nor the Saudi royal family. But peaceful protests for freedom and democracy? There's no way the USA could ever publicly frown upon that and not loose all credibility.
    All WHAT? US credibility left with dubya, cheney et al. It just doesn't come back that fast sorry. Look at America itself - there are still people in the South upset about the US Civil War.

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