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Egypt's Mubarak to step down

It now appears that he is going to try to stay in office until September elections. The protesters will not be happy. The military will likely have to make a choice, if the protests continue. What that choice will be remains to be seen.
 
donsutherland1 said:
It now appears that he is going to try to stay in office until September elections. The protesters will not be happy. The military will likely have to make a choice, if the protests continue. What that choice will be remains to be seen.
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Once the army gets it's hands on the reins, they're going to have a hard time letting them go.
 
he spoke this afternoon

Rage in Egypt as Mubarak hangs on | Reuters

mubarak is playing the entire free world like a collective sucker

the unfree world, mature as machiavelli, is typically not playing its hand, characteristically inscrutable

as if the pros on our side of the divide don't know what THAT means

who, by the way, is leader of the free world?

that's right, there is none

embarrassed yet?
 
apdst said:
Once the army gets it's hands on the reins, they're going to have a hard time letting them go.
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Yep because they definitely want all that public anger to be redirected at them...

They weren't prepared to kill before. If they take power, it's what they'll have to do to keep it, and they know it.
 
Holy **** buddy. You're going to put your country through all kinds of strife just to save face for a few months? What a pathetic piece of US supported and funded trash.

The public has spoken. GTFO!
 
Jetboogieman said:
Yep because they definitely want all that public anger to be redirected at them...

They weren't prepared to kill before. If they take power, it's what they'll have to do to keep it, and they know it.
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What makes you think they weren't, "prepared"?
 
Jetboogieman said:
If all you've got is word play apdst, then why even bother?
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It's not word play. It's an honest question. IMO, the Egyptian army was very prepared to kill.
 
apdst said:
It's not word play. It's an honest question. IMO, the Egyptian army was very prepared to kill.
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That's kinda what they're trained for.

My point was, if they weren't ready to kill before, why would they wanna take over power and start killing now?
 
apdst said:
It's not word play. It's an honest question. IMO, the Egyptian army was very prepared to kill.
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The Egyptian Army already disobeyed Mubarak by refusing to fire on the people. The soldiers were even giving protesters rides on their tanks. No, if it comes down to brass tacks, the military will give Mubarak the middle finger.
 
danarhea said:
The Egyptian Army already disobeyed Mubarak by refusing to fire on the people. The soldiers were even giving protesters rides on their tanks. No, if it comes down to brass tacks, the military will give Mubarak the middle finger.
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The generals disobeyed Mubarack, not the Army. If Mubarack makes it worth the generals's while to hose down the protestors; whatcha think is going to happen.

This is a very fluid situation and I think that most folks are having a hard time realizing that, because they're thinking like Americans.
 
Jetboogieman said:
That's kinda what they're trained for.

My point was, if they weren't ready to kill before, why would they wanna take over power and start killing now?
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Who said they weren't, "ready"?

Just yankin' your chain, but my point is, the only reason the army didn't hose down the protestors, is because they were under orders not to. If/when the orders comes down the chain to rock-n-roll, that's exactly what's going to happen.
 
apdst said:
The generals disobeyed Mubarack, not the Army. If Mubarack makes it worth the generals's while to hose down the protestors; whatcha think is going to happen.

This is a very fluid situation and I think that most folks are having a hard time realizing that, because they're thinking like Americans.
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You do just say this kak for the sake of it don't you?

Here's how it goes at the moment.

The Army has endeared itself to the people at this time, by not brutally killing them all, so if there is a change of government, they don't stand to lose anything, because they helped the people.

Mubaruk is done, done and done, he has nothing to offer them, he's going and that's final at this point. If I were the generals, would I wanna govern this mess? Hell no. I think they're quite happy where they are, and you know what, I'm pretty happy with it too, they did the perfect thing for this situation.
 
apdst said:
Just yankin' your chain, but my point is, the only reason the army didn't hose down the protestors, is because they were under orders not to. If/when the orders comes down the chain to rock-n-roll, that's exactly what's going to happen.
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Bollocks, the generals saw which way the wind was blowing, do you think they wanna be put on trial for killing protestors when this is all over with?
 
The Egyptian army, no less than the USA, was caught out by Mubarak's not giving his leaving speech as expected. The Army issued "Communique No1" outlining again their support of the people and of the peoples' wishes before the speech, then afterward would not comment on it until they had "had a meeting to discuss it" Why would they need to discuss their response to a statement if they were expecting it? The Army in Egypt has supplied their leadership for sixty years or more. They are the main political actor, and always have been.
 
Manc Skipper said:
The Egyptian army, no less than the USA, was caught out by Mubarak's not giving his leaving speech as expected. The Army issued "Communique No1" outlining again their support of the people and of the peoples' wishes before the speech, then afterward would not comment on it until they had "had a meeting to discuss it" Why would they need to discuss their response to a statement if they were expecting it? The Army in Egypt has supplied their leadership for sixty years or more. They are the main political actor, and always have been.
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Please give me a break. The U.S. says one thing to the media but does another, virtually all the time. Mubarak will say anything to try and keep himself in power, even claiming that his power will be temporary until September. He will say anything to get the crowd to disperse, and once it does the whole country will be locked down.

Obama absolutely must publicly state that it supports the Egyptian people because it is they who will determine the next leadership and whether or not the U.S. gets any remote level of support from it. The whole spiel about the Muslim Brotherhood is just a distraction from the real issue, which is whether or not the new leadership will make changes to the Suez Canal to spite the U.S. That's what this is about, and nothing else. So while Obama is busy promoting democracy and all that good stuff, you know that the CIA will be trying to work its magic to keep Mubarak in power for as long as possible.

The whole cabinet has already resigned, so what is being promised to Mubarak that he is holding onto so dearly right now? Ask yourselves this.
 
According to the BBC, there is a small crowd gathering outside the Presidential Palace (10:40 AM in Cairo ATM) and the army is not doing anything to remove them. Lots of rumors that the military council will make a statement and oust Mubarak.
 
Temporal said:
Obama absolutely must publicly state that it supports the Egyptian people
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he can't, king abdullah ordered him not to

The whole spiel about the Muslim Brotherhood is just a distraction from the real issue, which is whether or not the new leadership will make changes to the Suez Canal to spite the U.S. That's what this is about, and nothing else.
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tell it to bibi

and anthony weiner and chuckie schumer

and aipac
 
There wasn't any noticeable "Death to the USA" type chanting before the US seemed briefly to support Mubarak's plan to stay on. Once they firmed up the line that he needed to bow to the democratic will of his people, not so much. The new government may not be so compliant as Mubarak, but they might be better for the Egyptians.
 
Manc Skipper said:
...The new government may not be so compliant as Mubarak, but they might be better for the Egyptians.
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Virtually all revolutions go through several stages. And what is good for the Egyptian people is not necessarily in the interests of the American people.
 
Take a good look people at what "DEMOCRACY" in action really looks like, take for instance the "MOB" mentality in EGYPT....can anyone demonstrate how this out of control lunacy is any different than the ideology rejected by our founders, who instead chose to establish a Republican format of representative government? Shall we see how many "evil" entities around the globe attempt to take advantage of the out of control chaos these LEFT WING protesters have wrought? First and foremost will be the center of power in that nation.....THE MILITARY.

Regardless of what opinion people may or may not hold....as of right now, the people of Egypt are under the thumb nail of that power....here's to hoping the leadership thereof has a soft spot in their heart for WESTERN CULTURE. If not....Welcome to World War III, as the Military attempts to reign in the protesters with force and the Chaos spreads across the Middle East, as we hear the Battle Cry from the Pretentious Left..."they can't do that to innocent people", and from the hard line ISLAMO FASCIST THEOLOGIANS, "...its time, Down with Israel, the KHILAFAT (common ISLAMIC community, a gathering)is upon us, Jihad...our people, Jihad (struggle), and of course when the price of middle eastern energy sky rockets and the supplies dwindle down to a trickle....here comes Europe, the ChiComs, and Russia, leaving the US to stand behind a tiny democratic nation surrounded by a sea of theological despots and world thugs (Israel)....and the Great Satan will be the primary target and central aiming point of the anger and hate generated by this apparent display of DEMOCRACY in action. Careful what you wish for.....LEFT WING NUT JOBS, Spain or France could be next......

"Democracies have have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths." -- {Quote, James Madison, Federalist no. 10}
 
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